If you squat naked over a mirror and look down, that’s the eye of the bear.
You know, Bob Altemeyer wrote a book about rwa, if anyone’s not read it, it’s illuminating. At this juncture, I’ve had way too much Nazi authoritarian propaganda, I’d like to hear the other, and be free to ask questions and form my own opinions. That hope was doomed from the jump, and I should’ve guessed.
Eh, I thought the same, but then after reading their comments, it’s like going from one authoritarian extremist ideology to another authoritarian extremist ideology. Especially when both pro Nazis and pro commies seem to both boil down to being just pro Putin fanatics. I’m wondering if the propaganda doesn’t come from the same place trying to capture both spectrums.
If you’ve read the book, hard right authoritarianism and hard left authoritarianism are both right wing authoritarianism.
Eta: oh wow. That’s insane.
🎵 just don’t look 🎵 🎵 just don’t look 🎵
my problem with this thread; u can’t tell who is actually communist and authoritarian, and who is just authoritarian
The difference is whether you get sent to a concentration camp or a gulag.
Oh, I guess they are pretty similar…
Uh, depending on the concentration camp, not really.
I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.
Working your slaves to death sometimes, sure, but you mostly came out the gulag alive.
Broken, but alive. Historians estimate that of about 20 million people sent to the gulags about 1.5 million died in them.
Which is a horrific example of compliance through terror but not quite the same thing as an extermination program.
Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.
Just be aware that the term concentration camp was used long before the NSDAP created their destruction camps. smithsonian
Sure, but the commenter had a very specific set in mind and it’s disingenuous to pretend otherwise.
past definitions don’t mean shit when their meaning changed
Just for information the death count of gulags is largely unknown. Russia itself says its 1 million but pretty much all other sources say its too low to be even believable. There are credible sources for 1.5 to 8 million deaths (also non-credible sources that go much higher). Unfortunately unlike the nazies, soviets did not really have record keeping at all so all sources are estimates based to prisoner and guard writings. Another factor that makes estimates hard is the practice of when a prisoner was near death they would be shipped home, a lot of those never made it home but don’t count as killed by a gulag.
There was also mass deportations from satellite states that weren’t sent to gulags presumably but that’s a different thing.
I don’t want to defend gulags but they didn’t have poison shower rooms or child corpse disposal staff.
Neither did concentration camps:
"Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps (also known as concentration camps). The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years’ War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.
The term “concentration camp” and “internment camp” are used to refer to a variety of systems that greatly differ in their severity, mortality rate, and architecture; their defining characteristic is that inmates are held outside the rule of law. Extermination camps or death camps, whose primary purpose is killing, are also imprecisely referred to as “concentration camps”."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
Don’t minimize the Holocaust on your way to agree with everyone else that tankies are delusional assholes.
The singularity of the Holocaust lies in the extermination camps, where millions of people were murdered with industrial efficiency:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp
Saying that concentration camps exist(ed) in other countries is not Holocaust relativism.
Thus, “depending on the concentration camp.”
And you know which ones he meant.
No, I don’t know which ones “he” meant, because nobody mentioned Nazis, and apparently you still haven’t understood the difference between concentration and death camps, and assuming everyone here is male is also kind of yuck you know.
Sure bro. You’re making an honest argument in a comment chain that has used the phrase “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.”
Fuck all the way off, this isn’t Facebook, people know what you’re doing.
This comment chain doesn’t have the words “authoritarian nationalist state capitalism.” in it, and you don’t know shit about anything, go back to facebook.
I’m also not your fucking “bro”, asshole, get lost.
Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist/“Left” Authoritarian Communism is just authoritarian nationalist state capitalism that uses classist rhetoric instead of (or as well as) racist rhetoric.
And before people call me a tankie: Anything authoritarian is trash-tier shit.
No you got it.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
Lol a tankie would never admit that. No threat of you getting called a tankie.
They don’t give a shit about worker enfranchisement - they’re all right wing fascists, it’s just that some of them are red-coded.
Right wing auth isn’t exactly better than left wing auth
Same crap in the end.
Equating communists you disagree with with fascism is holocaust trivialization, according to mainstream Jewish scholars of the holocaust.
Not every right wing extremist caused the holocaust, and besides, if you compare all right wing extremists with the nazis at their peak power, you could also consider yourself a stalinist for downplaying his actions by simplifying history as some people I disagree with
If you compare right wingers with little power to left wingers with little power you get mass shooters vs mutual aid enthusiasts.
If you compare right wingers with a lot of power to left wingers with a lot of power, the fascists have a spectacular kill count and the left wingers are less bad than the bourgeois democracy baseline.
They are a cult who worship a bear god. The bear god name is Hex. So their religion is called Hexbear.
Six perfect corners.
Are we also going to invoke the Time Cube?
That’s not very straight
This is the best definition. Hail Hex.
A large part of it is a fanbase of Chapo Trap House which has a particular brand of humor that is rampant with esoteric inside jokes that are vulgar as a point, let alone to the extreme.
That humor, especially without that frame of reference, usually offends your average internet denizen.
Hexbear is also filled with authoritarians which isn’t very funny but still offensive
You have the politics of a slug
Sure, but to my point: if you don’t know or are unaware of the kind of humor associated with their core userbase, you might not be able to tell the difference at face value.
I maintain the best way for the uninformed to try and understand Hexbear users is to learn about or listen Chapo Trap House regardless of your politics/agreement. It puts a lot of their antics into context.
Ay man if your client lets you block entire instances maybe consider blocking this one
Edge lords who couldn’t handle someone telling them they were wrong, so they had big sook and defedederated after a day.
Oh no, please don’t go…
Didn’t .world preemptively defenderate from them?
Yes, they did. Are they going to admit .world couldn’t handle being told they wrong and had a big sook instead now?
Is sook a regional slang term? I tried to look is up, I guess it’s a crybaby?
Don’t you mean, you tried to sook it up?
sorry.
Hah! Never be sorry about puns!
I was specifically talking about them federating with shitjustworks for a day. But .world overreacts to shit all the time so I don’t think that was the gotchya you thought. I’m a lemmy supporter not a specific instance supporter.
.world did first you lying scum
You’re welcome
Lol can you whine more? I’ve had a long day and your writhing is really helping me.
I’ve read all the comments here and still don’t have a clue what a hexbear is
So you know the Lemmy instance Lemmy.world? Well, there is another instance called hexbear… Which is full of hardcore, Stalinist communist. And every user of every other instance hates them
Not true! I love that bunch.
Of course the tankie bootlickers like them.
They’re marxists-leninists, not stalinists…
There’s nothing inherently wrong with Marxism though (not that you said there was, I just get the impression some people are calling them socialists as if it’s inherently an evil thing), they’re entitled to their opinions on an alternative to capitalism, it doesn’t make them bad or weird people.
I gather from what I’ve read here that people mostly don’t get along with them because they are awful, terrible people (and honestly may not even be proper Marxists but maybe just posers, using it as a perfunctory label, idk).
I’d gladly be friends with a Marxist, but friends with an authoritarian, or a xenophobe, etc? Absolutely not. Regardless of their other political or economic opinions.
I’m an anarchist myself, so marxists are my brothers and sisters. So far, I’ve only seen displays of great inclusiveness from them (apart from telling me to fuck off, lol). However there’s a lot of different types over on hexbear, some of them definitely being angry edgy teenagers. Still, definitely not a xenophobic bunch. I feel the general sentiment isn’t warranted.
Similar experience. Great experiences until saying something that gets misconstrued due to lack of context and pitchforks come out. Then, some continue positive interactions and mods step in to curb unwarranted hostility. Still, despite getting singed a bit, it’s overall been incredibly inclusive.
Stalin invented the term Marxist-Leninist. Before that they were just called Leninists.
“ And every user of every other instance hates them”
This doesn’t even rise to the level of pseudo intellectual.
Why would I put is so much energy as to hate them?
Hate is a strong word. People are just fucking annoyed by them since they constantly act like a 4Chan Troll brigades to trigger the “Liberals” and make everything political. They swarmed every instance that was federated with them and pushed hard their “Murcia/the West/Ukraine = bad and China/Russia = good” agenda and attacked people with different opinions.
Naw they’re funny af
Ah. So like the famous lines „everything that touches the light“ „what about the dark spot over there?“ „don’t ever go there“
That’s right, Simba
Why do people always put labels on them as if that’s the reason they are idiots. It’s not. There just a bunch of obnoxious trolls that have made it their mission to annoy other instances.
By definition, smart people are not commies doe
Yep no technology in Communist countries, just your basic fire and wheels.
That’s the most tellingly ignorant comment itt.
First man in space not smart I guess
Fearful that a high-level national hero might be killed, Soviet officials banned Gagarin from participating in further spaceflights. After completing training at the Zhukovsky Air Force Engineering Academy in February 1968, he was again allowed to fly regular aircraft. However, Gagarin died five weeks later, when the MiG-15 that he was piloting with flight instructor Vladimir Seryogin crashed near the town of Kirzhach
Commies smh
It kinda seems to go Hand in Hand though…
I mean being a Stalinist and being an idiot are kind of one and the same are they not?
Sure, but there are plenty of people over there that are not Stalinsts, but still obnoxious trolls.
It’s a lemmy instance full of edge lords who are pro-totiltarian communism. The bulk of them think Mao and Stalin were good. Deny any atrocities committed by USSR/China. Also, for some reason tend to be super pro Russia. Due to NATO being on the opposite side they support Russia and call Ukrainian/NATO nations Nazis.
I’d like to meet these people. I wonder if they’re real.
My theory is that they are just russian bots
That’s an entirely deranged theory
I hope that’s all but there’s a lot of people on this planet and plenty of them are insane.
AI’s gonna make this tricky :S
Instance is hexbear.net, check it out for yourself, doesn’t work in browser for me without an account but it does work in liftoff without one for some reason.
It is weird that a lot of commenters here want to tell you what they are but don’t say how to find this information by yourself.
Then they might find out the “they’re all just tankies!” line is a lie, there’s shitty people on all instances, just so happens this one leans very left beyond neo liberalism and therefore it’s bad!
Throw in that they all totally support Putin and Mao and don’t really support LGBT! And you’ve got most normies nodding along with defederating
Think they’re way overhated, yes some of the users can troll a bit too much but they’re generally fine and I appreciate that they help stomp out fascist, racist, and anti-trans rhetoric on Lemmy.
I’ll just leave this here https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/2796891
I don’t support messages like that but I’ve seen similar messages from racists and fascists from other instances too, does that mean every instance where a small portion of the users DM fucked up shit should be defederated?
I think if a whole instance was dedicated to racism or fascism, then yeah
Oh I agree but that’s why I specified a small portion. If an entire instance is dedicated to racism or fascism I 100% support defederation.
What about authoritarian communism?
Not great, but nowhere near the same level of problem in the west where most of us are commenting from right now, so your whataboutism is irrelevant. Wanna try again?
We’re talking about hexbear, so it’s perfectly relevant
In what way is sucking the Chinese Governments boot any better than Facism?
Fuck the CCP
Also it’s disingenuous to pretend china isn’t at all fascist.
China is good and fascism is bad hope that clears things up for you
It’s not. The Chinese government is an abusive autocracy that doesn’t respect the “rights” of its people and answers to nothing and no one other than Xi and profits and power. Those three things are king.
Marxists and fascists are two sides of the same coin. They may have somewhat different end goals, but they’re alike in having zero regard for the democratic will of the people. May every Hexbear troll be accursed.
I wouldn’t say classical Marxists could be equated with fascists but most people nowadays who call themselves “Communists” are fascist at heart.
Authoritarian, yes, fascist, no. We need the term fascist at the moment to call out actual fascists, diluting it by using it label people who aren’t fascists but are also problematic plays directly into the misinformation the fascists thrive on
Exactly, I’m getting sick to death of the overuse of the terms fascism and nazism because they’re being used to describe everyone with a totalitarian bent. Yes, the GOP have fascistic tendencies, so it’s apt, but the real operative word to use in pretty much all of these cases is authoritarianism. And whether they’re [actual] fascists or communists, authoritarians are reprehensible. The Nazis were irredeemable but—and I say this as a socialist—so were the Soviets.
I was called a bigot by 7 or 8 different people because I dared to suggest that when someone finishes transitioning, they are no longer trans.
They are a man or woman, or whatever else they identify as.
That made me a bigot.
They don’t help stomp out anything, they turn people against trans people. They literally give conservatives ammunition.
I believe trans refers to gender assigned at birth, so unless someone detransitions or time travels to change their birth gender I don’t think fully transitioning can make you not trans.
Trans people continuing to call themselves trans after transitioning is an entirely different topic.
My point is that I accept trans people.
Someone wanting to call themselves trans after transitioning, in no way, justifies calling me a bigot. That is the most braindead way to try and influence change in the world.
Hexadytes are cancer. They’re cancer here, they were cancer on /r/chapostraphouse.
I honestly have no idea what they stand for. Their posts are so confusing and non coherent. I’m sure a lot of it is because sarcasm doesn’t work with text unless you have context. But without context, all it comes across as is a bunch of trolls who just love to hate
I couldn’t care less about them
Written sarcasm is an art form that few people truly understand.
They are a tossup of ccp communists, hard left leninists and general anti westerners. They constantly bully people to remind them that they are smarter than you and they are eager to showcase this. They post screenshots of comments they want to target on their main page and links so they can brigade. If you even bother interacting, they will spam you with the intent of getting you to peer into their carefully chosen pieces of information to steer you toward communism. They are a nuisance and i have learned that if you can easily bait them into saying awful things.
Their whole stance is bizarre. It would be like if I believed every country should be democratic, but if any non-democratic foreigner asked me about it I said, “well I’m not going to even talk to you until you’ve read every bit of democratic theory, and even if you do, I’m not going to admit or discuss any criticism of democracy. Also, you are evil for just being born in your evil country.” They can’t possibly expect to convert anyone that way.
They’re a left wing group that uses a lot of sarcasm and trolling. It can be a bit off putting to most but a lot of it comes from the fact that most people don’t bother reading or looking beyond US propaganda so it can be frustrating talking to people like that. Personally I try to come at things a bit more openly but I can understand the frustration of dealing with people that don’t put in much effort to understand the nuances of geopolitical topics.
Thanks for the reasonable take!
They openly brigade submissions and comments on other instances and harass anyone they don’t agree with. It’s not just some of the users it’s almost entirely the point of the community existing. Their comments are almost entirely sarcastic, and add nothing to conversation or even debate.
Feel free to show us one single instance where they “stamped out fascist, racist, [or] anti-trans rhetoric” because I don’t believe you.
harass anyone they don’t agree with.
Can you show an example of why of this? More sounds like you lost an argument.
Ah yes, lost as in they started posting pig shit balls " so lol you lose fucking lib"
Remember, if you having a conversation with someone on the internet and they’re a bigger asshole you lose the conversation!
Thanks for your hexbear intelligence level adjacent conversation lemmygrad
Stuff that really ever happened. Got it.
Right, because they NEVER used pig shit balls that’s not a custom emoji picture on their insurance or anything, and they don’t have a “libsgetdunkedon” or equivalent community, where they say shit like that constantly. Riiiight.
But of course you have to deny reality to be on the mental level of a lemmygrad poster
https://lemmy.one/post/2831169 Think I linked this right (haven’t tried since I switched to voyager). I can have more later this week if you want but it’s Labor Day weekend here and im drinking with family and you said literally one instance.
That’s a dead link bro edit :actually, what’s weird is the hyperlink is broken but the link itself seems to be working when you copy the text of your link.
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People who think being a jackass is a form of activism. That’s all you really need to know.
I have seen so many thread saying how bad that instance is but every time I ask for links proving how bad they are I have never see anything worth the hate.
Can you provide some examples?
I haven’t really had any issues with them. That said, literally the thread above this one in all top hour has a bunch of people hoping Biden gets COVID and dies…so there is that.
Meh. I have seen the same said about Musk, Trump and others.
While I don’t agree with that being said about anyone, I think it is still up to a person to decide if they want to block hexbear.
For sure, I’m not advocating blocking or defederating at all. But you asked for examples of hexbear being unsavory and I provided one. That is all. It would be more of an accumulation instead of one singular instance that might push some over the edge.
I’ve been asking for links to examples, in posts about online trends, for about a decade now and nobody has ever even once risen to the challenge.
At this point any claim of the form “The internet has X happening on it” I just immediately dismiss until I see evidence. Which I never do.
I’m sure a lot of people just think your a sea lion.
You want to form your own opinion, so go check it out.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1854795
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
Part of the drama with that incident included hexbear folks straight up saying “I thought the whole point of federating with other instances was so that we could dunk on liberals”. Majority of folks on hexbear did not see any issues with the behavior of their members on this post.
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Oh wow, there’s more hexbear comments than blahaj comments. Almost every blahaj comment has like 3-4 responses. I read a comment of someone saying that the thread looks wildly different if you see it from an instance that defederated them, and it’s so sad that it is completely different.
How about flooding a meta thread that’s not on their own instance to insult people who disagree with them?
if you consider this a flood imma be real with you, you are very new to the internet
I have never see anything worth the hate.
You just have a very high tolerance for jackassery. You’ve seen plenty of evidence of hexbear hostility, i.e. the “dunk tank” that would justify not wanting to interact with hexbear users and have actively chosen to disregard it.
This is because you’re kind of a jackass. Disregarding people engaging in good faith with “just trust me bro” is exactly the kind of thing people really hate hexbear users for. Not because of illegal activity or moral failing, but because they’re assholes. While you may think this isn’t worth de-federation, unfortunately moderators aren’t some kind of legal authority, and if federating with hexbear means instance admins or community moderators need to put in triple the work to prune all the arguments and “”“shitposting”“” hexbear users love, nobody is legally or morally required to put up with it.
It’s legitimately that simple. Hexbear users are jerks and nobody wants to hang out with them, and that’s enough to ban them from any given community or instance.
Best point I’ve read made here.
I’m also probably kind if a jackass, because hex bear doesn’t bother me. Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No. So I just don’t interact. The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
The fierce protection of LGBTQ communities is something I appreciate however.
It’s not really genuine though. They lightly elevate trump above all other presidents despite his history of attacking LGBTQ rights: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/09/trumps-record-lgbtq-rights-vile-moment-took-office-kept-list/
It’s just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
Here FaeDrifter is again saying this shit.
A HUGE PORTION OF HEXBEAR IS TRANS. OVER HALF THE MODS ARE TRANS. THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR THREE YEARS PRIOR TO FEDERATION. FAE, PEOPLE HAVE POINTED THIS OUT TO YOU BEFORE. PROBABLY MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.
See @HornyOnMain@lemmy.ml in this very thread:
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3504748
We’ve never “pretended to support lgbt”, why would we? What would be the point of a load of alt right channers roleplaying as queer communists for years on an incredibly niche social media in the hope that eventually redditors would come to the site? And even supposing we did, and we were all just alt right types, if we’d spent years doing reading groups of queer theory together and kicking out transphobes and creating the most queer friendly space on lemmy just as an incredibly long extended bit then would the supposed communists we’re impersonating even take issue with that?
Like just use some critical thinking, at this point almost half of the sites users are trans and most of the rest are queer, most new users cite our radical opposition to queerphobia as their reason for joining, what evidence is there that we lie about being queer friendly? Like just check out !traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net or !anti_cishet_aktion@hexbear.net or !transenby_liberation@hexbear.net and tell me in good faith that all these people have been lying for years about being queer
Identiy politics is so silly. It’s possible for a black person to support systemic racism, it’s possible for a Jewish person to support Nazi’s, it’s possible for LGBTQ people to support anti-LGBTQ politicians. Case in point - Jessica Watkins.
“I am x-identity” is lazy, superficial, irrelevant.
I don’t think anyone is lying about their identity. I do fully expect that the trans men and women of Hexbear would throw their LGBTQ brothers and sisters in front of a firing squad if it meant a chance at a bloody revolution over the bourgeois.
But THEY DON’T SUPPORT THOSE THINGS! YOU’RE MAKING SHIT UP. THIS IS EASY TO SEE IF YOU GO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY ABOUT FASCISTS AND TRANSPHOBES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THIS FOR AT LEAST A FUCKING WEEK NOW.
Lol what, who on hexbear is elevating trump, this is a hilarious take.
Also just gonna leave this here https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
we think its funny that libs are mad at realizing the system is shit, so obviously we are the only ideology in existence besides democrat= a republican
Basically the whole Hexbear most upvoted consensus was that all US presidents deserve to be executed, the DNC and GOP are the same, but Trump at least is funny, kind of authentic, and triggers the libs.
Also lol that observer article aged like fucking milk. Clinton couldn’t have found a better way to self-destruct her chances at winning the election.
If you want more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/yikes-new-behind-the-scenes-book-brutalizes-the-clinton-campaign-123303/
Can you show me where this post was on Hexbear?
Also yeah the Clinton campaign fucked itself in many ways, trump just being one that we all get to deal with on a daily basis still
It’s just a political angle to get support from people who feel isolated away from other political movements.
Fucking BINGO.
These suxbears are just trying to do a psyop. They aren’t good at it either. Xi could have trained them much better is all I’m saying.
Aren’t you the guy who admitted earlier you were lying about them just to stir shit?
https://lemmy.ml/comment/3381095 (scroll down to the bottom)
Is your shit thoroughly stirred?
My inbox sure is. Keep the brain-drain flowing my way.
Also, Donald Trump is a communist.
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I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
Because they’re done. They’re a man or woman now, and apparently treating them as such means I’m a bigot.
This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people. This is the exact type of behavior conservatives want you to think of when they say “trans people bad”.
If you are not trans shut the fuck up right now about what is or isn’t good for trans people, trans people do not need a cis saviour to come in and tell us we’re being too unpalatable for liberals who will only support us as long as we don’t get too uppity
There it is, rabid dog behavior.
You give the conservatives everything they need hexadyte.
I was called a bigot because I dared to say that a person finished transitioning is no longer trans.
thats bigoted you fucking godless removed
I would love to put the entire imperial core in a giant fucking prison and re-educate all of you into communists. Its my favorite fantasy.
They’re a man or woman now
This is why, this statement means that you don’t view trans people who haven’t “finished transitioning” as their actual gender. This is a transphobic and pretty reductive understanding of how transition works (albeit one that some trans people hold themselves, usually transmeds). I won’t write an entire essay on why but here’s just a small bit to chew on: consider that a “finished transition” is very different from person to person and some people might never consider it finished. Some people only want to socially transition, others have to medicate for their entire lives, both could consider reaching their ideal state “finished” or they could consider it a continual work in progress.
Also,
This isn’t defense, this behavior actively makes things worse for trans people.
The idea that pointing out someone’s transphobia will somehow support the transphobes is laughable. If being called out is seriously enough to make someone stop supporting trans people then their support was conditional and only surface-level.
Staying civil, as you suggest, is what actually helps conservatives since it allows their views to go unchallenged when their views are bad and should be challenged. Part of this includes challenging people who may think they are supportive but harbour transphobic beliefs that they haven’t analysed fully. And these wrong beliefs can have actual harm. As a simple example, there are a lot of “allies” who say that trans people are their gender but not their sex, which is a belief that can harm trans people when brought into a medical context where our bodies are (if on HRT) closer to those of our actual gender than to our AGAB.
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Would I appreciate a civil conversation to better understand their POV? Totally. Will that happen? No.
People have actually had that conversation. You just have to seem curious and not too accusatory. Also — depending on how skeptical you come across — it might help to keep your questions specific so they don’t feel like they have to defend their entire perspective in one fell swoop, although some might be up for that.
They’re aware that their perspective tends to be vilified and poorly understood, which both makes them wary of people but also enthusiastic to respond when they find someone they think is actually interested in what they have to say. If I showed them your comment they’d probably be like “hell yeah, send him in.”
*I made a thread and I was going to link it to you if you wanted to ask questions, but I realized you’re defederated
For anyone curious:
Source for the thread where that image comes from.
The whole thread is pretty eye opening to be honest. Especially the top comment.
They’re tankies. End of story.
This is not a good argument, which is going to elicit the response he had no matter the context.
People don’t put the effort into showing receipts. And sometimes the receipts are about murders that happened over 100 years ago? This post about the tzars https://kbin.social/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/424265/Hexbearians-frustrated-that-user-draws-the-line-at-child-murder
This whole thread is about the historical context around the summary execution of the romanovs. While the tzars absolutely needed to end, in the context of the 1910s and absolute monarchy, if the children didn’t die there would have likely been civil war trying to reinstate the line into power.
THIS https://kbin.social/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/419779/This-Comm-is-Racist-Thought-Terminating-Nonsense
Is a much better receipt. User doesn’t understand the winnie the pooh reference, also doesn’t understand the PRCs effort to stifle discussion about TSM and the pressure that firsthand witnesses are under.
even with this guy, I don’t understand how a user being an idiot is worth defederating. If he’s going into other threads and spouting the same nonsense, sure ban him. If many people are going into other unrelated threads and injecting that kind of misinformation into conversation, that’s a pattern that makes defederating a consideration.
Is there this pattern, of other communities being disrupted in this way?
Lib comment
I hope you didn’t cry about it
Yeah the communities dedicated to screenshotting posts in other instances are a really fucking odd thing I see show up routinely.
It has always appeared to me there is some kind of side squabble between various communities in the Fediverse against a couple instances in the Fediverse. I pretty much see two flavors: overly personal grudges or hypocritical trolling. Or I guess the swirl option for both, so three flavors.
It’s kind of nostalgic really, for the old days of forum flame wars.
The purpose is to highlight that tankies are extremists who hide their bigotry and hatred behind progressivism.
I would respect you more if you had more interests than disliking these people.
You don’t dislike people who deny and even celebrate genocides? Don’t think I want your respect if such content is okay with you.
Lol, that’s because the mods of said threads already had to delete all the bullshit they posted once they “accidentally found this on all” and then descent on it like locusts (but they’re totally not brigading!!!1!)
Here’s one of their mods:
SJW is shit just works in this context. Also yeah, do you expect her to be civil to bigots?
and guess what
Kill yourself, bigots. I will not be civil to those who view me as lesser. I view you as lowly as you do me.
Uh hello, it’s called jacktivism.
Oh right! I thought that was… uhhh … something else
you’re thinking of jackitvision
Is that the one that makes you go blind?
you’re thinking of jacksepticeye
We need a new name for the ol Reddit switcheroo
Hold my naked blade, I’m going in
deleted by creator
I like where this is going
Why would we treat you bigoted removed with any sort of dignity. You do not own the right to my respect, we give it to those who earn it.
Honestly I just fucking hate the stickers. Once in a while is fine but EVERY FUCKING COMMENT
Is it like a furry instance or something?
Tankie instance
Marxist-Lenninists /Authoritarian Communists / Stalinists
A flurry instance would be quite preferable. Furries tend to be pretty chill
I just assumed from the name yknow…
Have a bunch of them made alts on Lemmy .ml? I feel like this comment section ripe with bears that are on .ml. I suppose being able to make alts is one of the advantages of being decentralized.
removed I’ve been here for 2 years motherfucker, you’re the newbie
Wow, why don’t people like tankies again?
They are annoying morons?
Well right now they’re beating eachother off over this post. They see us mocking them and they think they’re intimidating or something? Not sure but it’s sad and cute at the same time.
lemmy.ml is self described communists https://lemmy.ml/post/55143
Lemmy.ml ≠ the Lemmy developers
It influences who signs up.
not sure why downvote bc he asked why tankies might come from that instance and yall always talk about defederating tankies so who would join an instance that is defederating their beliefs?
Not all communists spam pig testicles. The annoying part of a hexbear users is emoji spam, and dogpileing on any post they don’t like.
