Stop advertising the site as a place to go when you get banned from reddit for being too insufferable even for them.
Oh crap. Has that been happening? That would be bad.
It certainly feels like it is, because the user base seems to be made up of exclusively the type of person from reddit that made me want to commit war crimes.
This. I feel the drop in users are the people who came here thinking it was a place for “free speech” and are upset for being downvoted for shit comments.
In reality it’s probably people who checked out the site, saw its mostly software/tech and political communities, a handfull of communities for trans people and reposted memes, and a dash of “the West will fall and China will prevail” communist communities, and decided to leave.
Also the porn is hidden too well, and even when you figure out how to find it, the porn that exists is 90% furry and hentai. Reddit has a huge amateur porn community that I’m certain keeps much of their users coming back.
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Welcome to Reddit reposts V2
Definitely recommend subscribing to stuff you’re more interested in and browsing that way. All is always going to be a bit lowest common denominator, same as on every similar site.
So a fair reflection of reality? I get that. I have different venues to escape reality myself.
Makes sense as yes, Elon and republicans fucking suck. Not sure what else one would say about them.
Damn dude, that was such a spot-on summary I feel like I don’t need to log in to lemmy for a month lol
I recommend Connect for lemmy if you have Android. Can put in filters to block communities that contain any keywords and posts that contain key words. And block entire instances.
When it comes to social media filtering is important to curate out the filler you don’t want.
A great feature, but with a small userbase making a small amount of content, filtering those things out leaves you with not much left.
My question is how has 4chan usage looked since reddit bullshit?
Good question. Compare against our competition, because I’ve read article stating less people are online right now entirely. Which makes sense, a lot of young people just went back to school. We should see it go back up again in a month or two.
Do you consider 4chan competition?
It’s 4chan, it’s in its own category of craziness
Sorta, yea. We can have fun like them, too, by the way.
Do people on 4chan have fun? Qanon and pol are not so funny tbh
It used to be quite a fun place, back before 2016… then it got flooded with extreme right wing people who didn’t stick to their containment boards.
Boards like /g/ (technology) had some good information.
I was wondering why the quality of posts dramatically increased recently
I doubt we have public stats for 4chan
Probably right.
This is normal, it’ll stabilize. Lemmy development is certainly needed, but what we can do is just keep the content rolling despite the issues.
Exactly. There’s always a loss in user base after an initial rush. What’s important is we lose the ones who are harmful or spread hate in the community.
This is pretty normal, you get a surge of users and then it tapers off a bit as people don’t like it.
Could be a lot worse, take a look at the user graph for threads.
Yeah ours is very good if we are honest.
Engagement and creation of worthwhile content. Memes are fine, but it’s junk food. The more meaty content that creates engagement and discussion, the better.
Controversy also creates discussion, but drives out quality.
Post news from quality sources, educational content, breaking stories, and ESPECIALLY good, fun, discussion and content around hobbies.
Meme communities spamming the feeds is a big issue.
I automatically block most meme communities, there’s almost never anything worthwhile to them, just pointless nonsense.
I do admit to keeping one or two of the really niche ones around, like risa@startrek.website
I really wish they’d have some type of tagging system. I’ve blocked so many anime communities. I wish Lemmy would let me just ban that tag instead of playing wack-a-mole.
I feel that way about Star Trek and Star Wars. And LOTR. Also, that one crappy cartoonist who’s basically the modern Cathy.
Trying to make a place popular for the sake of popularity is putting the cart before the horse, and will always be a losing battle.
Make your Lemmy instance a place worth spending time. Don’t worry about user counts or popularity.
IMO, Lemmy doesn’t need to be super popular. Large numbers don’t automatically mean great quality, while great quality can result in greater numbers.
I think you are missing a big piece of the bigger picture.
Much of the ‘utility’ of the lemmy alternatives is the significantly larger user base, which is what’s necessary for more niche communities to get off the ground and actually be viable. Without that userbase, lemmy is just another alternate place to discuss the basest common topics, that can be discussed anywhere. I mean, technology and news are nice to have, but it’s the variety of the niche community that are what keep people still hooked on reddit.
So in the end, making a place popular for the sake of popularity actually does serve an important purpose.
Stop with the doomerism.
“Lemmy is losing users” -> Lemmy has a stabilizing base of communities developing their own culture after a great exodus from several centralized platforms. Original, high quality content is finding its home here as users engage with one another on thousands of federated, interoperable, transparent websites.Mastodon has went through a similar bump, but more recently has had some larger figures begin usage (local government broadcasts, b-level ‘thought-leaders’/‘influencers’, etc). In order to get to the next level, lemmy needs to show it can survive test of time and is worth the effort to establish an online profile. For example, reddit has corporate organizations creating and maintaining subreddits which act as an avenue for community engagement. Having active community engagement leads to advertisement, which can be a double edged sword, but useful if pursuing ‘growth’ metrics. I’m not sure what the lemmy devs (or it’s users) have planned for this.
How can we make it more popular?
Not by bots designed to increase content creation.
Total agreement. I left Reddit years ago because I thought it was toxic long before the big migration. I really dislike seeing post after post of bot created Reddit content here. It makes me angry actually. I block it as best I can, but it should just fucking stop!
Make high quality content like answering questions and eventually people will start flocking
That’s pretty vague. Any examples?
You mean like “lemurs of lemmy, what’s the sexiest sex you ever sexed”?
It’s natural - reddit does something bad, people look for an alternative, join up then start losing interest either after a while either due to toxicity, seeing content they don’t like, not having reddit features they used, or the low amount of content and start migrating back.
The user count will probably not stop dropping anytime soon, unless reddit does something again and blackout 2.0 happens.
I feel like I’ve been seeing more posts and comments though, and looking at those, they seem to still be rising (although probably influenced by bots).
I wonder if the spike of active user may be caused by people first trying it out (then giving up), followed up by people making several accounts on different instances before settling for one or two.
I feel like I’ve been seeing more posts and comments though, and looking at those, they seem to still be rising (although probably influenced by bots).
I think that’s the key metric in those graphs - user numbers are dipping after the massive inrush of people after Reddit messed up (a pretty natural dip - no-one expected them all to stick around) but the number of posts keeps climbing.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen a more people posting and commenting in most of my more niche communities after I got the ball rolling.
So that’s a good sign - we don’t need massive absolute numbers of users but we need more quality posts and comments, so don’t be shy people.
It would be interesting to see post count excluding bots, to see if actual user post numbers are increasing
It’s probably not a huge amount. Apart from lemnit (now blocked) I haven’t seen any doing high volumes of posts. I have one on a community I moderate which does a post a day. The guy who set it up has others that tick over at a similar frequency but they are hugely outweighed by human posts. However, that’s just my experience and I’d be interested to see those numbers too.
I tried to make accounts on 2 other instances apart from World and it just… didnt work. They took my email and didnt give me a usable account. Sh.itjust.doesntwork
Also, if you want to grow Lemmy, the best thing you can do is comment and respond to everything (With thoughtfulness of course), because the value of reddit (and Lemmy) is always in the comments, so that’s the best way to contribute.
For a while I was on squabblr, and the thing they did right was to encourage lurkers to post and comment.
You still active on there? If not, what tempted you make the jump over here to us 😁?
I vaguely recall there being some situation on Squabblr (previously squabbles, for those ootl) regarding free speech, and a ton of users moving to Discuit
Yup, tons of users quit at once when the mod team faltered because of disagreements with the admin regarding hate speech content. That’s when I decided to look for a different platform and migrate completely to Lemmy (was here before as well)
Yes, I agree, person whose comments I see under literally every post
Hello, I see you a lot around too!
Let’s gooo. I’m famous!
EDIT: I also see you very often, it goes both ways
You should have seen me when I was promoting my movie here.
I’m like Lemmy’s George Takei.
I really want to believe that Margot Robbie advocates for the fediverse and likes Android enough to be a mod on it’s subreddit
No, I’m just here to shitpost and promote my last movie, and I’m all out of movie promotions.
(Why? Because it’s really funny.)
I was always a lurker on reddit because every time I spoke my mind I would get silenced/banned/whatever. Literally every time I ever tried to say anything that wasn’t 100% in lockstep with the hive mind, shut down, so I stopped bothering. So far Lemmy has been great in that regard!
I’m trying to keep my disagreements and discourse that way as much as I can in my own responses. What we don’t have in completeness of software, we (hopefully) have in community and heart.
The thing is, it made for some hilarious trolling opportunities.
And occasionally you’d find someone also going against the hivemind that shared your views
Curious me here, how would you troll?
For example, in the r/newzealand Reddit which is full of bleeding heart social justice warrior lefties, I would post comments in support of one of our minor parties that sits more centre-right on the spectrum (there is an election on at the moment)
That really riles them up, I get a heap of downvotes but also a couple of supportive comments from the 2% of other people on that sub that dare have a different opinion from the hivemind
omg this is just poking the bear. I love it
On other unrelated things, this is why political groups should be not reserved, leaves an echo chamber that traps people
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Somewhat expected, probably will be multiple waves of people joining with small declines in the months immediately after. Some of those less engaged individuals will come back too, and some of each wave will stay. I stayed from this last wave of reddit users. I’ve been using three lemmy accounts and my Mastodon since the incident. I intend to keep doing it, it’s been a lot fun.
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How can we make it more popular?
By not doing the things that corporations do to make things popular. Do we even need Lemmy to be popular? I think we concentrate on trying to keep the Fediverse and Lemmy user focused and privacy friendly and people will naturally come over as they get burnt on the ever increasingly enshitified corporate data-theft sites. We need to be something different than the big sites. A breath of fresh air. I think people will be OK with putting up with a few quirks to escape those toxic environments. I think Lemmy is progressing just fine and I’m enjoying it.
Yes, what’s the use of having alot of shitpost
You seddit right!!
How is the Fediverse privacy focused?
I’m not suggesting any Federated service is private. However, we should be aware of and always working towards preventing Lemmy (in context) from becoming anything like those abusive corporate data selling clusterfucks.
It’s not necessarily privacy focused but it’s certainly much more privacy respecting than reddit, or any other mainstream social media company. The codebase doesn’t try and fingerprint you, the various apps don’t either so no shadow profile of you or your behaviour is being built or sold on to 3rd parties. The only info that’s stored about you (aside from IP address for mod purposes which is meaningless if you use a VPN) is what you volunteer to your instance and what you post publicly.
I don’t think Lemmy is more privacy friendly. In fact, its, arguably, even less privacy friendly that others.
Ok, so I’m wondering how you explain the billions of dollars profit corporate sites generate from scraping and selling our private data? I’m also genuinely interested in how you might explain how TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter or anything Google are more privacy friendly than Lemmy?
That depends on your definition of privacy. Can you elaborate ?
Compared to reddit no lemmy instance is tracking your usage metadata, and it does not share any identifiable data with other Fediverse instances other than what you explicitly share on the platform.
Do we even need Lemmy to be popular?
Yes otherwise this will become a tech and tankie echochamber shithole
Cry about it, we were here before you even knew what Lemmy was 😎😎😎
Can you elaborate how making Lemmy like current popular sites will prevent tech and “tankie” content?
Do i need to?
Reddit was great because it had everything from baking to bombmaking and itwas popoular in its own communities. Lemmy only has bombmaking and even then nobody in the bombmaking communities go to !bombmaking@lem.ee or !bombmaking@lemmee.to or !bombmaking@federationsite.websitedomainending
They go to reddit/r/bombmaking. Because thats where the people are.Lemmy is supposed to be a better reddit alternative. But all we have right now is a big majority of “socialism is the best, all problems stem from capitalism” people. And while i totally agree with the sentiment, i do not want to have the 1000th discussion on why capitalism sucks.
Especially not if the discussion is brought up everytime by capitalismhater@capitalismhate.capitalimshate who highjacks all threads to speak about why capitalism is bad.Edit or rather adding onto my “rant”: I do not mean that the majority is literally “socialism is the best”-people. But we have a strong and loud majority of enthusiasts for their fields that are nieches at best in ““the real world””
No, you don’t need to, but I was interested in what you might say.
I’m sorry. My bias screwed with the tone that i read your question in. I am just way too confrontative.
That’s pretty much the biggest gripe I have with Lemmy; there can be different groups with the same general theme who never come across each others’ content, resulting in small echochambers with minimal content.
