It was nonsense from the start. Grusch had no evidence, not so much as a blurry photo or shaky video. All he had was what someone told him. So someone supposedly told him that not only did the U.S. have multiple crashed UFOs and bodies, but that one of them crashed in Mussolini’s Italy and the Pope helped the U.S. smuggle it out.
And people ate that shit up. And they’re still saying the big revelation is right around the corner, as it has been my entire life.
As expected. Many thanks for the update…
If it was nonsense, why did the Inspector General find his allegations “credible and urgent”, and forwarded them to Congress, where Grusch and other whistleblowers deposed under oath? And why have several Congressional committees announced that public hearings will be held in the upcoming months?
Let’s not make the mistake of thinking that just because evidence has not been made available to us it means there is none. We don’t get to learn the most highly classified weaponry in the Pentagon, why would non-human technology be released any more widely? If you want more information to be made public, go write a letter to your elected officials telling them this matters to you.
“Credible and urgent” referred to his fear of reprisals after claiming whistle blower status. The Inspector General rightly considers this completely isolated from the legitimacy of the leaked information itself.
My understanding is that it referred to his allegations that some programs are being funded without the necessary Congressional oversight.
Either way, the matter of fact is that Congress is addressing these concerns regarding oversight, not the reprisals suffered by this particular person. See the recently proposed regulation by Gallagher.
you need to touch grass, the text you sent just has the same allegations, nothing new nothing concrete. Besides, why is it always the United States? why is it never in germany, france, australia or russia? why have i never heard of flying saucers in africa? Why do aliens like america so much? Do they like eating at wendys?
The chili is pretty good…
> you need to touch grass, the text you sent just has the same allegations, nothing new nothing concrete
The details are classified. You and I don’t get to see them. The people who do get to see the classified evidence, like some of the congresspeople I mentioned, take it seriously. The whistleblowers have allegedly provided Congress with the names of the people in charge of the reverse-engineering projects and the locations of the materials.
Think again about that: the elected representatives with the best access to the most sensitive information take it seriously.
What alternative explanation do you have for multiple congresspeople from both sides of the aisle being willing to investigate these claims and writing new laws to encourage more whistleblowers to come out?
> why have i never heard of flying saucers in africa?
How much news do you get from Africa, generally? You won’t know things when you don’t look for them.
One of the most widely known mass UFO sightings happened in Zimbabwe in 1994 in the Ariel School.
The fact that Trump never revealed anything about Aliens is all the proof you need. He would never have been able to shut it about it if there was even a grain of truth to it
What makes you think that the alleged programs that have been supposedly kept secret from the Congress for decades were revealed to Trump? It stands to reason that if such programs existed, they would have been hidden from him as well.
I mean, if you start like that, there is no discussion to be had. “If eVeN tHe prESidEnT doESn’t know”
*insert dickbutt meme
But that is precisely the central allegation of the whistleblowers that we are discussing: that certain research programs have been kept hidden from the Congress. And that is why the Congress has already passed bills to encourage whistleblowers to come out and report what they know specifically about UFOs.
Why did they write such specific legislation? Do you think it may be because they already knew about some whistleblowers that wanted to speak?
Yes, and don’t forget Brazil for being a hot-spot for UAP’s/ UFO’s. Might be they also have Wendy’s, but they definitely have great churrasco.
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; however, there is none.
congresspeople taking it seriously doesn’t mean much. they also take climate denial seriously. they took anti vaccines seriously. they’re just laywers, by and large. they don’t actually know much of anything about science or the probability of aliens visiting or whatever.
as a (former) astronomer, let me tell you that even if there does exist life in the universe outside of our own, even if these lifeforms travel these vast distances fast (somehow, the physics isn’t really clear), even if these supposed spacecraft are manned, the probability of anything visiting earth is infinitesimally small. the universe is just too big and empty. think about it, space has on average a single hydrogen atom per cubic meter. on earth an equivalent volume of air, let’s say, holds 10^25 atoms. and throughout billions of lightyears of this dark, empty vacuum you stumble upon…us? it just doesn’t make any sense when you think about it. sure, the idea of aliens visiting is cool but at the end of the day, it aint happenin
I’m with you that there is no publicly available proof of non-human intelligence. And I agree that the testimony of congresspeople isn’t exactly the best way to ascertain whether something is true.
But I’m not claiming that non-human intelligences are here, I’m merely answering the question posted by the OP: the allegations made by Grusch and other whistleblowers are being investigated by Congress, and that they have shared with Congress testable evidence that has not been made public. That includes program names, names of the people in charge of those programs and the location of some of those retrieved craft.
Everything else is our personal opinion, strongly as we may feel about it. I personally think it is worth investigating these allegations. If the witnesses have lied to Congress under oath, they need to suffer the consequences. But if they haven’t… Well.
I personally think it is worth investigating these allegations
And you hit the nail on the head about why an elected representative won’t say one way or the other unless it’s objectively proven or shown to be false - anything else doesn’t need a response. Further any rep who does claim the matter to have been solved, one way or the other, only opens themselves up to criticism for something they probably didn’t get into politics for in the first place.
When scientists and experts (plural) start getting involved then it’s interesting however, imo, your focus on government being the ultimate truth-finder is flawed
Look at this post: respectful comments answering the question and offering objectively verifiable data are downvoted to hell, while comments laughing at the whole subject in a few words are heavily upvoted. The stigma is massive, and yet the subject continues to get traction in both parties in the US Congress, with several bills having passed and further in the pipeline. Perhaps we should consider the possibility that there are some things that we the public don’t know about it.
your focus on government being the ultimate truth-finder is flawed
Oh, no. What I believe is that certain institutions within our governments are the ultimate truth-keepers, because they have the means to be. Look for example at how little the public is allowed to know about national defense (e.g. the design and capabilities of submarines).
Because every time the US elite needs to distract the crazies they whip out the UFO circuses and the rubes lap that shit up. Honestly it’s getting embarrassing for all parties involved.
You wanna know why aliens don’t visit this planet?
** Gestures broadly in the direction of entire planet ***
UFO sightings are definitively not a USA only phenomenon.
Look into the Varginha case. TLDR: a UFO landed in Varginha, Brazil and a creature was reportedly spotted. The town’s citizens report that US officials came in and cleaned up, then threatened the locals to keep them quiet. There is an entire documentary on the case called “Moment of Contact” shot and directed by James Fox.
It was a “trust me bro” claim that the media blindly ate up.
media
You mean dumbasses that read garbage tabloids.
Vanity Fair discusses why respected members of the media didn’t publish this so-called bombshell of a story: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/ufo-report-media
It lacked any real facts and proof and the major outlets needed to confirm parts with their sources.
This feels like nothing. I would not be surprised the military keeps dangling these ufo stories to hide the fact they caught a Russian or Chinese advanced aircraft.
Ribbit
It was obviously bs from the first second, but how do alt right fantasies play into this? I thought the whole UFO thing was more like old-school conspiracy theories.
Ribbit
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
It is very much moving forward. Senator Marco Rubio has stated that he takes David Grusch’s testimony seriously. Rubio is a member of the Gang of Eight, the group of people in Congress who receive the most sensitive US intelligence.
Rubio has stated that Grusch is not the only whistleblower who has come forward and testified to Congress. According to him, over the last two years there have been multiple other highly-ranked officials sharing with Congress their first-hand knowledge of secret programs to reverse-engineer non-human technology, corroborating Grusch’s claims.
Senator Gillibrand and Rep. Burchett have publicly announced that in the coming months they intend to hold public hearings to hear the evidence put forth by Grusch and other UFO whistleblowers in various committees in Congress.
If you find the subject intriguing and would like to learn more, I can recommend the podcast Need to Know by Ross Coulthart and Bryce Zabel. Other good sources of information that have also been proven reliable in the past few years are The Debrief and Liberation Times.
The U stands for UNIDENTIFIED. Unidentified means just that. It’s not wink wink for alien spacecraft.
Why waste our time with boring facts when we already have our opinions?
;-)
credible
it was never credible lol
Trust me, no one of any substance put much belief into any of his claims. It was entertained, and found to be a huge bluff.
“credible”
kinda strange seeing “credible” and “UFO” on the same sentence
Obviously, THEY don’t want you to know about it, so they suppressed it after some courageous soul (who’s since been “disappeared”) broke the original story. /s
Nevermind that if UFO crashes were as common as what they’re made out to be, SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE would be able to provide some sort of credible evidence. Even a foreign government somewhere would have declared a discovery at some point and produced a ship or alien bodies, just for the prestige of being the first to declare it.
I don’t doubt that there’s alien life out there some where, it’s just whether or not if they’ve made the travel across many light years, only to crash land as soon as they get here.
