Once lemmy got popular, I just decided next time I get banned I won’t make a new reddit account. Sure enough, I got banned without breaking any rules. Good riddance.
I did something similar… then, in a moment of weakness, I tried to go back one more time. Apparently, I was really banned the last time. As in: even using a brand new email address didn’t fool them, I needed to use a VPN to even create an account. The juice just ain’t worth the squeeze anymore, so that’s the end of that.
I have gone back a while ago. Some subs are bad but most I frequent are the same as before. I now use lemmy on my phone and reddit on the PC. At least on reddit the Linux cult doesnt try to convert you everytime you say the word windows.
Have you heard of our lord and saviour Linus? You have to let Linux into your heart my child.
Linus Sebastian rules
Did he ever release his own findings on how bad his company harassed that girl?
I don’t think he rules or its even a nice human being
They hired a 3rd party investigator for that. Nothing has been release and most likely won’t be.
Lol, pity he dislikes Linux.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux,” and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
New copypasta just dropped
Unix, the father, Linux the son and GNU the holy ghost.
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I don’t know if you’re trying to imply that Microsoft does for Windows, but I seriously doubt he gets sponsored by Windows
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Did you say windows!?
You might wanna consider Nobara tho. It’s a Fedora spin but with all the codecs preinstalled.
and please you have to stop using xorg. Xorg is terrible and makes puppies cry, stahp w/ it
I’ll consider it when it works on all the hardware Windows does.
It pretty much does. It cannot, however, run all the software that can run in Windows, which is the bigger issue.
wrong because you didn’t mention arch Linux. and like, how it’s a total rolling release you guise.
Oh god why did you say it w-
Windows, Chrome, Capitalism, and cars rule!
I just assume everybody is 12 years old. It’s the only way to explain most of the behaviors I see.
Or bots, that’s the other explanation.
The most annoying thing about bot comments is that they’re contagious.
I think the fewer number of people, compared to reddit, on Lemmy combined with the fact that it’s not nearly as well known, plays a huge advantage to the quality of the comments. Not that there aren’t people like that here either, but I feel like the more popular a platform, is, the more it gets filled, proportionally, with people trying to make witty, shitty, pointless remarks that are often clickkbaity and avoid actual discussion, all in the interest of just getting more imaginary points.
Also the process of “enshitification” (not a term I made up, look it up if you hadn’t heard of it) has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.
Reddits is end stage enshitification
And now they’re going to train AI on that dataset. The intellectual equivalent of a diet consisting of nothing but chicken nuggets.
I feel like you’re gonna be able to tell if an AI was overly trained on reddit data.
Hey Chat XYZ– write me a prompt for my essay about George Washington
"More WashingDeezNuts! Gottem.
Came here to say this.
Edit: wow thanks for the gold kind stranger"
I’m part of the problem. 85.4% of my comments are shit posts only I think are funny.
Hey, don’t be like that. I am sure a lot of people find your shitposts funny.
Not me. I looked.
Not me. I looked
I actually had a chuckle at this one.
Good for you … the road to recovering from being a bot is to first admit it
It’s not just you. There are dozens of us.
This.
This.
This.
I’m using this in my everyday life now
lol @ the exact percent
But no, I don’t think shitposts by themselves are actually the problem. I think the problem is when when there’s so many people dedicated to making shitposts that serious communities with serious discussions start getting overwhelmed with shitposts, and when there’s so many people who are only interested in shitposts that they upvote those shitposts to the top, often downvoting anyone who might offer a contrarian non-funny opinion.
or IDK, I’m mostly speculating based on personal experience.
I think the problem is that reddit is suffering the same fate as Facebook. It’s no longer a niche Internet community, it’s been overrun by people who think it’s hip and in. It’s been taken over by people who speak some of the language, but don’t get the culture. No one knows when the narwhal baconed anymore. Lemmy is exhibiting the earlier stages of reddit. Small groups that are growing, plus a looooot of star trek fans sprinkled throughout.
Are there people who think Facebook is hip?
Back when MySpace was a thing and you had to have a college email to register for Facebook
With its ageing user base, I’d say that it’s more like Facebook needs a hip replacement.
No one knows when the narwhal baconed anymore
I just gagged. I get that it’s a big cultural touchstone of old reddit but I’m sorry, if a community could ever think that was
midnightsomething anyone could say out in the real world to try and find other members without sounding like they’d been dropped on the head as a child, then there’s serious arguments that it was already past the point of no return.No worries. I’ll just be over here with the real cool kids from old 4chan. Hiding our power levels, laughing at m00t wanting to be the little girl, and calling everyone [blank]f#gs. That was totally more respectable behavior by a community of well adjusted individuals.
Hell, even the whole 4chan v Reddit “rivalry” sort of shit is ancient history now.
No psuedonymous or anonymous public discussion space needs some specific “calling card” meme. Just let it be what it is.
Anyway, I believe what you’re describing was coined as “eternal summer” many many years ago.
Back in the earlier years of 4chan, in the summer time the site used to get flooded with a bunch of obviously new users who clearly had no familiarity with the how the existing community worked, in amounts that would often drown out discussions that would have thrived without the newcomers.
You could often trace significant downward trends in “quality” of a community to those mass influxes of new users every summer, usually assumed to be underaged children having nothing better to do with summer break.
At the time, 4chan was still insular enough (not the least due to the sheer vileness of the most popular boards) that any new users who stuck around after the summer would normally adapt to fit with the existing community when the rest of the new users from the summer left.
Eventually though, 4chan got large enough to start getting in the news more and more. Anonymous hackers were doing more shit drawing attention too. They took on fucking scientology. At some point, there was enough of a constant influx of new users who were either unable or unwilling to adapt to the existing community that the existing community started dissolving rapidly.
At that point, “summer” never ends. If you try to enforce previous “standards” then you’re fighting a neverending battle against hordes of people coming into what used to be “your space” where you knew how things worked, insisting that things work differently now (whether by repeated action or explicit statements). They’re coming in such numbers that you can’t out talk them. You can’t out pace their posting. You can’t “educate” them. Slowly everything just oozes into the same easily digestable sludge catering to the lowest common denominator of the constant influx of new users, who don’t give a singular shit about what worked to keep the space alive in the first place.
Welcome to Eternal Summer. Cut your addiction to the space, adapt to the new normal, or suffer forever. Makes for a lot of really really salty maladjusted shut-ins, and the same sort of exclusionary behavior that a lot of nerds had when shit like Halo 2 started making gaming more mainstream or Critical Role helped make D&D more popular.
There’s a lot to be gained from new blood in a previously insular community, but it often comes with a loss of identity. For 4chan, that wasn’t a huge loss, though I’d argue that the racism at least seemed more ironic in ancient times, to a stupid teenage me. Eventually, every community has a tipping point where “the old guard” can’t hold back the tide, and without sissyphean efforts what made the original community special will probably be lost. For better or worse.
Best not to get too attached to any emphemeral space or community, and learn to find new ones as you go along your life.
I was going to maybe correct and add a little bit to this recollection by linking a comment I’d made a while back on the subject, but since lemmy can’t seem to dig up the post, I guess I’ll just kinda summarize.
Sometime a while back, after moot sold off the site, and it got bought out by the japanese dude that runs 2chan (apparently it’s also funded by toy company “good smile”), the administrative staff kind of got slowly replaced by a bunch of white supremacists who will selective moderate to kind of create their idealized “free speech” shrouded platform. Mod logs from them got leaked some time ago as evidence of this. I think it’s probable that some of those guys are funded by political activist groups in order to do it full time, after 4chan kind of showed it’s hand earlier on with the level of efficacy they could achieve with internet hacktivism, but that might be reading too much into things.
I mean, obviously 4chan also needs a large level of moderation, contrary to what people might think. It’s historically had some problems keeping up servers, because there would sometimes be CP floating around on the platform at any given time, and whatever company you’re renting your servers from, probably doesn’t want that shit on their servers. You also need a good filter against extremely large amounts of botposts, or large amounts of corporate spam, as well, which is really the case with any internet community. You can’t really survive without some form of content moderation.
It was always kind of less about the new users, then, who can pretty easily be distinguished and mocked/ignored/moderated away (the latter approach is always better), and it’s always been more about astroturfing, and who controls the switchboard, who’s in the positions of power. “Eternal Summer” is only really a problem when that kind of outstrips the moderation of their ability to properly sift through posts and moderate, at which point, you kind of have some other problems that are more practical, related to scaling up your operation.
User based gatekeeping need not apply, because there’s not really much the users can actually do to stem the tide, despite how much users like to squabble over the correct usages and origins of slang terms, surface level distinguishing characteristics, and in-group purity tests. How much people like to bitch about “board culture” and shit like that.
Internet communities are a collage, or a kind of, bacterial culture, that ends up reflecting their moderator’s lowest possible standards and sensibilities, I think.
Edit: oh, I should’ve also mentioned, that in many cases, there’s a financial incentive to let new users flood in almost completely unmoderated, because, even if it lowers content quality, it would be better to have lower content quality, but a larger userbase, than do anything that might possibly upset the userbase and drive them away. Oftentimes I think also that high quality content is a demarcation of a userbase that is not easily monetized, compared to low quality content, but that obviously reaches a kind of critical tipping point when the content quality gets so shit that corporate power brokers start to take notice and demand more control.
I think you’re absolutely right about the eternal summer. A new demographic of users takes over. The tourists move in. The shame of it is that as noted, it’s an inevitability for any social media, it’s just a matter of time.
The tourists move in.
…Internet gentrification?
Anyway, I believe what you’re describing was coined as “eternal summer” many many years ago.
The same phenomenon was coined on Usenet many years before 4chan.
Wake me up, when September ends
Yeah I love a good shitpost, but many redditors seem to have no sense of maturity about when to be serious vs silly. It would drive me insane to see like some news about a suicide bombing in Pakistan or something, and the only comment is some guy trying to make a pun.
This should be a mug!
At least there are dedicated spaces for that and most Lemmings are respecting that, if it doesn’t spill out too much to more serious communities then at least there isn’t too much noise to have a good discussion.
I think this is a huge problem with democracy as well. The larger a country, the worse democracy works. Any apparatus of power or wealth attracts parasites only interested in exploiting it. And the larger the lever, the more profit from manipulating it. And the larger the potential gain the more investment costs can you justify.
This isn’t necessarily an argument for “states rights” or federation though, with “divide and conquer” strategies you can copy and paste the same strategy to multiple instances. If there is monetary gain to be had, there will always be an unrelenting force trying to exploit it.
Eh, am from a country with 9mil people, and this society simply doesn’t get democracy. So being smaller is hardly any indicator that democracy will work better.
It’s certainly not a guarantee but I do think there is a “scalability problem” with democracy.
These have to be bots.
This. So. Much. This.
Yes! If I had money for goldz, I’d give it to you. Please accept this 🥈in it’s place.
There’s also a big issue of the sheer mass of comments in a post simply drowning out any chance of discussion because only the first few most upvoted ones will usually get seen, so people generally just respond to those to get any interaction on their comments. It’s why the frontpage stuff is always so much worse than smaller subs - because by the time people see it, there’s already 1,000+ comments there.
I do hope that lemmy continues to grow into non-tech demographics. I’m somewhat into tech myself, but I also like a lot of other stuff and I miss that influence from reddit. Lemmy is VERY tech focused right now and we need some other voices in here.
Most of the people that would have made good comments on Reddit moved to Lemmy as well
Also the process of “enshitification” has already started taking place on reddit due to its popularity.
I started using reddit in 2011. Trust me when I say this isn’t a new trend. Reddit’s has been noticeably and actively getting shittier since at least 2015 as it continued to get more and more popular
Shitty changes Reddit made that I can name off the top of my head:
- New Reddit
- Reddit Live
- Anything beyond Reddit gold (the concept of paying for Reddit gold was, by itself, not a terrible idea back when we thought Reddit was a decent company)
- Instant chat feature, when DMs already existed
- Pay for API
- Fired their only popular employee, the AMA assistant
You could argue creating a comments section was also a dick move, but that was before my time and it’s fair to say Reddit never would have caught on without it.
They also populated the site with fake accounts in the early days to make it look more popular than it really was. I would be zero percent surprised to find out that they still had fake accounts floating around for purposes I don’t feel like speculating about.
Oh, and Spez edited people’s comments.
Victoria was the one they fired aka /u/chooter
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Goodbye.
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facebook for people who dont think theyre racist (theyre just racist with extra steps)
Meanwhile on Reddit: look at these Lemmy losers constantly whinging about Reddit lolololol
or:
Seems like just as much of a waste of time as it was before.
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Hell yeah!
I’m using this daily in my life now
This!
Love. This. Comment.
OP is NTA
TBH He(Dragon 3500) WBTA if 👑 UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG IANAL, DAE? Right?
I think I’m gonna be sick. Well done.
Need a mug saying this
These cannot be the comments of real people.
This needs a coffee mug
Love. This. Comment.
Hell yeah!
unless it’s okbr
You Inspire People Every Day With Your Content 💋
It’s so obvious it’s like 50% bots now 😭. A couple smaller niche subs are still good, i like the DnD 4e sub and Meet Your Maker subs for example, but it’s not worth going through Reddit to get there. Wish we could switch all those communities over here but it’s hard.
That was cringe but I think a better reason NOT to return to reddit is the fact that they just sold out their users to an AI company that hasn’t even been named.
AFAIK, there’s nothing stopping any company from scraping Lemmy either. The whole point pf reddit limiting API usage was so they could make money like this.
Outside of morals, there is nothing to stop anybody from training on data from Lemmy just like there’s nothing stopping me from using Wikipedia. Most conferences nowadays require a paragraph on ethics in the submission, but I and many of my colleagues would have no qualms saying we scraped our data from open source internet forums and blogs.
You’re right, anyone can scrape Lemmy. But that’s not the issue (to me anyway) - Reddit have sold user data - user generated content. None of what they’re profiting from was generated or created by them. Are Reddit users who did generate all this content getting a slice of the profits?
When I post on here I know it’s all open for anyone to access but that’s true of any non walled garden space. I’ve accepted the fact that it’s going to get fed into the hungry maw of some AI behemoth or two.
What Reddit have done is make money for doing absolutely nothing based on content others have created like some sort of technological tapeworm feeding second hand. And along the way they killed off a lot of tools that users loved, moderators found made their jobs easier and people with a visual disability found vital. And all this so u/spez can live out his mini-Musk fantasies.
Could you imagine this is what we are training AI with !
Yeah, all these bots replies is copied from other comment, and there’s shit tons of r/confidentlyincorrect comment that is outright factually wrong, which then get regurgitated by other user and copied by bots, so good luck to the AI company filtering those.
r/confidentlyincorrect comment that is outright factually wrong
Sounds like it would fit right in with other AI models
I can. Remember Tay?
Lol yeah, other bot made data
Fuck Reddit, but why does this matter? Them selling internal analytics and profile information isn’t going to be nearly as valuable as post/comment history which has already been public and scraped continuously since the site’s foundings. Practically every LLM is already has already scraped the entire site! Whatever company is buying their info is probably the only ones doing it legitimately. You can also assume Lemmy is no different, it’s all public and scrapable for LLMs to freely feast on.
Also, the degree of banning now is at another level. My friend got banned site wide for three days because she used the word moron to describe a mail carried that fucked up real bad. I guess she doesn’t spend much time on reddit so she wasn’t aware what a shithole that place became
Thats been a thing since a shirt while before the api meltdown. I went through like 5 accounts getting banned for things like telling a TERF to fuck off or saying I hope someone assassinated Putin.
And their “appeal” system just automatically denies you.
And yet other violent content stays up and unbanned in the far-right subreddits, weird.
Tsk, tsk, cannot be training our AI to say naughty words, off with you.
Yeah, it’s also petty retaliatory mods.
Yeah, I stopped making new accounts there, cause they survive only for a couple of weeks or so until admins decide that morons are a protected group, or that answering calls to genocide with appropriate wishes is calling to violence (the other side usually doesn’t get banned), etc.
I like it here - at least bans for being rude are mostly egalitarian not depending on political positions (if you don’t try to teach tankies economics and history on their own instances, which is stupid in at least two dimensions).
It’s really hard to stay back when they’re praising North Korea, you always feel like Don Quixote does when he spots a windmill.
I see the hive mind is hard at work.
Reddit is becoming the Facebook version of 4chan.
Well at least they have downvotes 😂
Fully believe a lot of these are bots. I refuse to believe that humans act like this at that magnitude
I. Love. This. Comment. NB: I am a human that is bipedal and omnivorous like many other humans on {undefined}.
These low effort and low quality comments used to be the norm when reddit was new. Eventually the community kinda wised up a bit and realized that you don’t need a “when does the narwhal bacon?” comment chain in every thread and heavily downvoted this sort of thing. Then the reverse happened and reddit become known for housing the internet’s most insufferable know-it-alls, contrarians, and pedants. I think it kinda still has that reputation a little bit, but maybe the metaphorical boomerang is swinging back around again? Either that, or like you said, bot infestation.
Or a single person with multiple accounts trying to build karma. This reads like the same ESL or a 12 year old wrote it.
Genuinely not sure which option is more frightening.
Maybe they are dogs! Maybe they are robot dogs! You Don’t KNOW!
BTW it’s less scary if you think most of these comments are written by morons. A “smart” bot comment (like an informative one) is still way better than a comment written by a human idiot.
AITA was really never the sub you went to for carefully considered prose. Just a bunch of edgy teenagers trying to justify being shitheads.
