It’s a good thing and a bad thing imo.
People now can keep and relive moments easier and faster than ever before, but it does suck how big companies now just use it to do anything and how ads are just thrown everywhere to make every possible penny they can.
As someone who grew up before computers and smartphones were commonplace, for the most part you could still life in the same way as you did before computers and smartphones, because all the things you’d need still exist. You’d just be horribly out of the loop of the way modern life functions… But you could do it.
What’s interesting is that pretty much no one wants to live this way any more. It was pretty damn boring a lot of the time.
I’m trying to not spend too much of my time online and I’m going kinda successful on that. But I can’t say the same about living without smartphone. I need it to study through PDFs and reading EPUB books. I’m 31 years old, so I picked a tiny part of the “pre terminally online era” during my childhood. However, I’ve became a sort of internet addict in my teens. I should be avoided it, but it’s a bit to late. Can’t fix the past, but I can fix my future.
I strongly believe we will evolve around the technology we created.
What made sapiens evolution unique was our ability to communicate. We are exponentially increasing that ability.
A bit of things are harder to do now, without smartphone or especially without computers. I have no idea how this is going in the US, but here (France) there’s been a big push for “all online” stuff, including mandatory administrative tasks. Less digital alternative are still mostly available, but the trend of being able to handle thing without computers is clearly dying. And yes, this means an increasing number of people is lost and can’t do stuff we expect them to do; it seems not enough people care.
And, even outside of that, having a bank account these days can require having a smartphone, more specifically an iOS or Android; the “bank app” being used as an authenticator and required for anything from logging-in on their website to performing money transfers.
We still can operate offline, mostly, but there’s a huge push toward changing that. And I’m not sure there’s a way to make that without leaving a lot of people behind.
Yes we are probably at the tail end of the time where you can still pay with cash, go to the bank branch, handle things at government offices, etc.
Yeah but maybe a bit of our problem is people don’t get bored anymore. The feeling of boredom is an important one and we stuff it down with dopamine doping and doom scrolling. When I was a child, if I got bored I went outside, or I saw if my friend could play, or I got a toy out. Once smart phones came along suddenly being bored was just an invitation for Reddit— Lemmy— to fill in the void.
I’m glad that Lemmy is not as addictive as Reddit was. I want to be bored a bit sometimes. Boredom makes me do chores instead of ignore them. Or play with my kid more. Or go hiking.
I don’t imagine 80s kids would have said they had boring childhoods, just because they weren’t completely soaked up with phones demanding their attention 24/7.
This. It destroys real life community and severs local bonds between people. It makes one ungrounded.
My childhood wasn’t boring, but I was bored an awful lot. And I agree, boredom can be a great motivator. But I can’t say that I miss being bored.
I think nobody would really say their childhood was boring. But if you were to take a kid from the 80s and a kid today and compare their daily lives, regardless of what interests they have, the 80s kid would find their own life pale in comparison. You’ve got video games, movies, social media, news, books, and music on the entertainment front. There’s so many paths to express one’s creativity, whether in art, music, engineering, film. And of course nothing is really stopping you from doing anything you could do 30 years ago and doing it today.
To take a step back and think of our parents letting us out of the house to roam where we did without having any way of getting into contact with us is absolutely bonkers to me as a parent now.
I’m having to work on a safety plan for a trade school. There is no good way of establishing communication across campus in the event of a disaster outside of A) Walkie Talkies or B) Cellphones. And honestly I can’t entrust faculty and staff to grab a walkie talkie in such an event. What I can trust is that they’ll have their cellphone on them.
To take a step back and think of our parents letting us out of the house to roam where we did without having any way of getting into contact with us is absolutely bonkers to me as a parent now.
You’ve bought into paranoia. In the US, most areas are far safer than they were in previous generations. Crime rates are largely down from their highs in the 70’s and 80’s. And even the 90’s wasn’t a safe time, by comparison. Even in the 90’s, the whole “stranger danger” crap was so overblown that it probably did far more harm than good. The problem today is that news, both traditional and online are a 24x7 feed of “doom, DOOM, DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!” which give a horribly skewed perspective on how bad things really are. For my own kids, they disappear with the neighbors’ kids for hours at a time, and we’ll call them in when it gets dark. This usually involves either yelling from the front porch (I really wish I could whistle like my mother did. I could hear that whistle a mile off); or, calling around to the various houses until we find them. They don’t have cell phones yet, and probably won’t for a few more years, as they just don’t need them. Also, I don’t want to worry about an expensive electronic device ending up left somewhere or smashed.
Oh no, I agree with you entirely. That’s my point, I know it’s safer than ever and yet I still want that connection. You can call that paranoia, I call it an overabundance of caution for the soul that means most to me. How my parents did it without that connection during a time that wasn’t safe by comparison is amazing to me.
I’m not worried about my child’s safety in terms of other people. I’m worried because I know all the dumb, outright dangerous shit I did as a child and that they are as predisposed as I am.
Funny I just was thinking if I could go a weekend without my phone. And if I did it how many people would I have to tell before I did it so I didn’t get a bunch of crap for not answering texts for 2 days!
And even if you have a smartphone, you are strongly encouraged to get WhatsApp and donate all of your data to Meta that way. Not too long ago someone told me about having sent me messages through a channel don’t even use. I wonder if WhatsApp still shows me as online even though I haven’t used the app in more than 10 years.
I hate that very much. I don’t use any of Meta’s apps, except for WhatsApp. Why ? Because everyone here in Italy uses it and without it I can’t contact basically anyone. Want to contact a medic ? WhatsApp. Want to send a document to a clinic ? WhatsApp. Want to make a group chat with some study collegues ? WhatsApp, because not everyone wants to download Telegram or anything else. No one uses SMS or iMessages. Only WhatsApp…
Tbf where I live it’s messenger and that’s way worse than WhatsApp.
Want to contact a medic ? WhatsApp. Want to send a document to a clinic ? WhatsApp.
Pretty sure this goes against multiple EU laws.
Italian here! You just described our country!
I’ve been telling people around me to install Signal. If you want to send me messages, install Signal. I’m not installing WhatsApp, any time soon.
Doctor: Please send the exam results.
Lemming: Install Signal.
Doctor: What?I find it highly unprofessional when people use WhatsApp in a work related contexts. When it comes to healthcare matters, I find it completely unacceptable due to privacy and security concerns. Might as well ask me to print my private health related data on a post card and send that to the doctor.
To the best of your ability, can you tell why WhatsApp is so prevalent? How is it any different than texting or calling someone normally?
Same is true for most of South America. In Brazil, iphones are very expensive luxuries, so the majority of the population had to deal with android phones. Which google, in their infinite wisdom, never made a decent messaging app that lasted more than 1 year.
Whatsapp had this great feature that it let you find contacts by phone number, plus you got to talk infinitely as long as you had internet, so the transition was very easy for people moving from feature phones.
In a very short time, the app reached critical mass. If you insisted on not using whatsapp, people would just ignore you, the hassle of having to use another app or, god forbid, sms you (sms used to be charged per message sent) was just not worth it.
In a lot of countries, especially in Europe, most texting happens over WhatsApp.
Cell providers took a long time providing free SMS/MMS, especially internationally, and lots of people in Europe have international contacts. So apps like WhatsApp became the go-to, since you could just use your data plan to message.
Same in Portugal, it’s maddening
You should talk to your close contacts about switching to Signal
You used to be able to get a military discount at Home Depot by showing your ID. Now they won’t give it to you unless you have a smart phone, sign up for a Home Depot account, agree to their ToS, log in at the store, wait for them to email you a verification email (which they do literally every single time), and then navigate back to your account, find the QR code, and scan it. It’s fucking bullshit!
i would rather download an app then show my god damn ID lol, even then it isnt worth it because you will spend more unknowningly
Why in the world would you rather go through everything I just shared (privacy concerns aside), than just whipping out your ID which takes 2 seconds?
I want so bad to just get a light phone II, but too many parts of my life need something from a smart phone, end to end encryption on my messages (signal or other similar apps), banking apps, even my job requires a few apps. I could maybe carry both around and use the smart phone as little as possible? But seems too much of a hassle sighs
I carry around an iPhone 13 and an old Motorola. It’s not that bad.
My uncle doesn’t have a cell phone and he has to borrow everyone’s phones all the time and it’s gotten to the point where people are just refusing to let him borrow their phones.
I like them for being able to text and make calls. Otherwise I hate using them - a desktop computer is far easier for me.
This is so true. I lost my iphone three hours ago and I just keep getting harder.
I need a smartphone app to:
Access mail from my government
Log into any website as ‘me’ (taxes, car related stuff, my net bank, etc)
Buy a damn bus ticket
In reality i dont need my phone to be smart. But society wants me to
But i do everything i can to avoid getting apps from various companies. Membership bonuses etc. I hate it so much.
I do enjoy my smartphone in the car though, for google maps, music and taking a call. But… i would much rather, if that was just built into the cars infotainmentsystem.
I’m a “If I don’t do it when I think about it, it’s not getting done” kind of person, so I like being able to do EVERYTHING on my phone, because it’s always in reach when I need to accomplish something.
That being said, I HATE downloading apps and creating accounts to do simple one-off tasks.
Last week we went out to dinner for our anniversary, and there was a QR code to pay the bill. I think, “Cool, I don’t have to wait for the server to take it.” So, I scam the code. It leads me to an app download. Ugh. Fine. I’ll wait for this to download. Once I open it, it prompts me to create an account.
I immediately uninstall, and wait for the server to take, run and return my credit card.
The membership apps are the worst. Every time i shop for clothes they ask me if i already have their app. I tell them no. they tell me if i want to get it. I tell them thanks but it’s OK i don’t want it. Then they tell me if i sign up i get 2% discount. I tell them thanks but it’s really OK. And then they look at me as if i’m the only person ever that didn’t want to install their spyware in exchange for a tiny discount. Do people really just get those apps?
People definitely get them for fast food. Not me. I sure as hell don’t want Burger King siphoning my data.
Just give me the bloody neurolink already, I’m ready to ascend into the hivemind
The one thing that really makes me sad about common cellphone usage is the lack of face-to-face connection. It’s a trip because I went through middle and high-school without smart phones, everyone did. I miss those regular, everyday connections with people.
Those that haven’t gown up a significant amount of time without smartphones don’t think the difference is that severe, or that the connections we’ve replaced them with are the same or superior, but it just… isn’t.
Is it really the phones or is it just that connecting to people after high school gets harder?
This is it. They don’t warn you in high school, but after school your friends will be in colleges or jobs miles away. This is just the way it is and if anything, cellphones would theoretically allow people to stay connected.
Smartphones turned everyone into chronic flakes though too. You can always bail at the last minute on flimsy plans you made when you were drunk because “you’re not feeling it”.
Both. It makes it easier to keep in touch technically, but whether or not they are responsive is a whole other story.
Well, connecting gets harder in the sense that we’re no longer all forced together into the same space, but phones have added a severe second layer to that. It disconnects us from those physically around us in order to digitally connect us with people not physically present.
Prior to phones, eye contact was pretty frequent. More small talk between strangers happened. People were far more aware of those around them. That’s just not the case now.
Again, smartphones have brought a lot of good to our lives, but the physical connection to people around us has been paralyzed. It really is sad, and I’m sad that it’s not something I’ll ever experience again: a space that physically connected. I’m sad that younger generations will never experience it their whole lives.
True, school is nice in that it forces you to hang out with your peers, and that isn’t really emulated later in life. But I don’t think that’s the point.
The point is that it’s just tougher to have non distracted conversations. Or even non distracted periods of time hanging out.
It just feels awkward when someone is sitting there texting with someone else in front of you. Or just looking something up on their phone “really quick”, and then is MIA from the conversation for five minutes.
I’ll tell ya, it’s getting a lot harder to drive around my horse and buggy with all these darned automobiles on the road. These iron chariots are making the simple pleasures a real humdinger.
Horses and iron chariots are evil capitalist ploy. Embrace walking bare foot.
fire-breathing dragons, they are!
I guess so but they are rather helpful still, so…
Are these shower thoughts or are they just thoughts?
