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If you buy HP, you deserve everything you get.
No. Making a mistake doesn’t mean you deserve unfair treatment.
Enshittification is driven by consumers who don’t bother to get informed. I think everyone has a responsibility to make choices that don’t actively make society worse.
By that same logic, everyone has a responsibility to educate uninformed people about enshitification. Everyone is uninformed until they aren’t, and you can help.
Of course. Every night, I go door to door asking people if they have some time to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds.
No, YOU’RE Steven by consumers who stunt burner! 😛
Edit in case anyone’s wondering what I’m babbling about: this was the comment I was responding to before what I assume was a series of autocorrect errors were fixed:
Guilty as charged 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m guessing they signed up for HP Instant Ink, a monthly subscription service that monitors the ink levels in the printer and automatically mails you refills.
If you buy an HP printer, they HEAVILY promote this and offer discounts/free trials. I declined, because fuck that, but I could see someone agreeing and forgetting about it.
That’s a real thing. Buy Brother, brother.
We’ve had trouble with Brother products as well unfortunately
Did it include the manufacturer trying to lock everyone in to a pay-to-print racket?
Has Epson also gone downhill? The first one I bought lasted 11 years, so about 3 years ago I replaced it with another Epson.
I’ve still been having good experiences with new Epson printers. Epson and brother good, hp needs to be sued to the stone age.
Epson with the eco tank. It’s like 12 bucks for several years of ink and the thing just works.
What ink are you getting for $12?? Even allowing for quite a bit of poetic licence, this seems ridiculously cheap.
It’s just a bottle of ink that you pour into the tank. You can find generic ones for $7-8.
My wife prints 1-2 boxes of paper per year in color. About 10% of those are photograph quality. A laser printer wouldn’t cut it for the photographs so I got her an ecotank.
The tanks hold 130ml of ink so they last a long time. The largest HP cartridge held like 49ml of ink of I recall correctly. Most of them had under 10ml.
If you print infrequently or an absolute ton (like an office) a laser printer is better. If you print a case or two of paper per year and photographs, the inkjet is better.
What ink are you getting for $12
That investment in a squid and giant aquarium is paying for itself, I tells ya! 😛
What I heard is that Epson is even better than Brother and the ink is even cheaper, but the printers are much more expensive and repairs are slow, so Brother is probably better for casual individual user.
For ink jet you buy Epson, for laser buy Brother
I threw mine from the balcony when it stopped me from scanning documents because one of the cartridges was empty.
Been with Brother ever since.
I’ve never had that issue with either Epson I’ve owned. Scans just fine without ink.
Is Canon half-decent?
No, the printer
They make the money on the ink, not the printer. Laserlet for win
$10,000 per gallon
When I was in college, I would go to micro center and buy the cheapest printer there, getting the warranty for $2.99. Run out of ink? Return it as defective and get a new printer with the gift card, paying $2.99 for the warranty again. So I paid $2.99 for ink for all 4 years of college.
And while you’re at it, get a laser printer.
Fuck HP. Simple as that.
As other comments have said. Never buy anything from HP.
Get a Brother printer.
That is frustrating for sure, but they prob should have read their agreement when they purchased whatever subscription they signed up for. It’s like complaining that T-Mobile has locked their subscription-discounted phone despite them not paying the bill.
Yeah they should really invent a printer with a tiny internet connected screen on the front that could convey this type of message about a person’s account and the nature of the problem.
It isn’t like that at all. T-Mobile would’ve given you a better deal for taking a contract such as that, HP just decided they didn’t want you to even THINK about purchasing ink or something from anyone else but them. It’d be more like if T-Mobile sold you a phone that you paid full price for, and then decided they’d remotely lock your phone and wipe it if you tried to buy a charging cable from anywhere but their store.
This is straight malicious anti-consumer bullshit, and it is basically rapist behavior. It’s disgusting.
If you buy a printer that has it already included, then you’re either getting a discounted printer or “discounted” ink for a subscription period. They make it clear that it is a subscription service when you do so. They all sell printers that are not subscription-based. I’m guessing you can still sign up for their subscription-based service, and you should read the fine print about being able to cancel or what happens if you don’t pay.
I absolutely hate HP by the way. They do things like include spyware in their “drivers” that are pushed through Windows Update. However, in this case, a simple Twitter screenshot doesn’t accurately capture the full story. If you want to provide some more context, then by all means feel free to do so.
It’s uncanny how any post about problems with HP always has the same solution in the comments. Brother.
In related news, learning what Audi is doing with their new model and subscriptions makes me think the world has gone mad.
You will earn nothing and be happy.
Meanwhile cheapskates who buy used old products, renew them and use them: happy.
If you want a non-Brother recommendation, find one of the series 4 HP LaserJets. Those things were figuratively and perhaps literally bulletproof.
We had a 5P back in the Win98 days, and it was exactly what you’d expect a printer to be. The refills were pricey, but they’d last a long time (we printed a lot then). And you could get a bit more life out of an empty drum if you shook the hell out it.
I do wonder about compatibility with Win10/11 at this point. I know some other old devices I still have around are all but impossible to get to work.
There’s still CUPS support
I remember seeing them abused in my university computer lab. People would print 50 page documents, see they screwed something up, trash the whole thing, and then print again.
Keyboards, monitors, mice, computers, and network switches would come and go but those tanks would just keep rolling. Plus we could program rude messages on the screens via the web interface, which was fun.
My 5P didn’t survive the 2012 move. RIP
Unfortunately all the options in that industry are shit.
Enshittification hitting the physical realm is pain.
Printers pioneered enshittification.
The lightbulb cartel had a head start on them!
I have a brother multifunction laser printer scanner thing. It is a cheap piece of crap with flaky wireless.
Unlike the HP printers I’ve had or worked with, with the Brother I feel like I at least get what I pay for… but it’s a pretty low bar.
It’s a good brand. I have their laser printer and it’s great. No annoying registration, 3rd party toner cartridges are allowed. Super fast compared to inkjet. Overall a great experience compared to my HP printer which won’t let me scan unless I register on the HP app.
I have a network enabled model from Brother and it’s never once shown up on my pi-hole. I’m a fan for life. Will never buy an HP printer again.
I love my brother printer.
I have installed no drivers and can print from Linux / windows and my iPhone.
It sits on my network, it accepts prints, it gets turned off when I’m done.
I’ve never seen it try to do anything outside my network, I’ve never seen it do much of anything on my network. It just sits listening waiting to print.
For a second I thought you meant never showed up as in your pihole can’t print to it. I was mildly surprised when my pihole automatically recognized and configured my brother printer on my network. But now that you mention it, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it black holed in my query log either!
I need to get a pihole… It might not fix my Linux printing situation though. I’m able to print but a big document with a lot of pages will just randomly cancel half through for no reason.
They’re amazing. I run mine on an Amazon Lightsail instance. $6/mo. or so? I need to bring that back in-house on an old Pi.
Every tried setting one up? It’s hilariously easy. Install Debian or Ubuntu Server, run:
curl -sSL https://install.pi-hole.net | bash
Receive PiHole. Setting a static IP on it is probably the most complicated thing. :)
Thanks for reminding me. Might just do that tonight!
Not $250/yr for WiFi & nav that you’re referring to, no?
Nor 2019’s scheme which sounds like $1000/mo to drive any of several different Audis?
$1000/month to rent a car? Lol
This reads more like a car club, where you pay a subscription to have access to cars on demand.
Bought a second hand brother laser because of the meme. am not disappointed.
Which model did you get?
brother hll2370dw
edit: works from my android phone, and dual boot windows / Ubuntu pc as well
OK and did you need to get drivers to use it on ubuntu? Thanks :)
I have the TN830 that is joined to WiFi that my Ubuntu/windows pc sees on my network without having to have installed any drivers.
Similarly can print from my iPhone.
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I bet the Audi model (pricing) is relying of folks leasing vs buying the cars. I can see how they could cram this on a car someone will only have a couple years vs a purchase.
Personally I’d spend the 800 for VAGcom and make a business unlocking cars features.
Any of the luxury brands are smart moves to lease because they depreciate while being under a needed warranty.
Anyone who buys a luxury car new and keeps it past the bumper to bumper is not smart with money.
It’s crazy how the people and govt have let this go on for so long. This has been a known issue with consumer grade printers for a long time now. I remember my parents bitching about ink costs when I was in grade school. Now these companies have raced to the bottom and are locking them down.
Personally, I have found myself to print less than a dozen pages per year. Usually it’s some government office that wants hard copy. For every instance, I just used my local Office Depot to handle all of my printing needs. So glad I don’t have to deal with printer bs
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My old HP printer takes XL refills and HP can’t do a thing about it. I need them to know this too.
The fact that HP didn’t even say anything makes it look less like profiteering and more like spite. Idiots. I’m actually in the market for a printer and from what I can tell, in order to get something that won’t stiff me in some way I have to get one which is really old. And not made by HP.
Apparently Brother, and some Lexmark, printers don’t come with this BS DRM baked into the firmware.
Has anyone cracked the HP firmware to give us proper access to our hardware?
Thanks to DMCA, circumventing this protection and sharing it with people is illegal.
Honestly hasn’t stopped people in the past but I suspect it hasn’t been cracked because of how it connects to an external server to verify. Probably need to patch the firmware entirely
Thanks to DMCA, circumventing this protection and sharing it with people is illegal.
🏴☠️ Which means hypothetically it would need to be done anonymously. 🏴☠️
I’ve been around in IT long enough… The emails went to someone who has left or someone set auto delete “on these annoying spam emails!”.
Not to make it right or better, hp sucks donkey balls, but I don’t believe the would’ve been zero contact. If you buy a subscription printer and stop paying for a subscription… That’s on you.
Subscription printer. Why the fuck is that even a thing.
Because if you make everything this level of shit and you sell someone “printer that always works at £6 a month!” It sounds like a great deal.
You just want a Brother laser jet black and white printer
It’s no bullshit and will work forever
I’m with the others recommending Brother. They aren’t perfect, but they’re the least bad.
Running about a 10 year old MFC 9349 CDW here, only changed the black toner so far. Used a cartridge reset truck I found on YouTube to get more life out of the original black before that.
Scans to network nicely, does 2 sided prints etc.
Go for a Brother.
HL-2040 gang represent!
2070N here! It came out in 2005. Brother still sells it because why not?
Which is fine until Grandma wants to print out all the selfies and other photos our Grand kids send her. Then, that black and white anything won’t cut it. And I can’t afford a photo quality laser printer…
There’s online and supermarket printing services for that. Usually works out cheaper than maintaining a printer.
Yep and there are also fairly cheap strictly photo printers (cheap compared to getting film developed, at least)
There nearest grocery store that might offer that kind of service would be at least a 200 mile round trip. And while we are old enough to remember sending real film to film labs for developing and then waiting weeks to get something back, she’s not very interested in doing so anymore. To her the cost is not worth the inconvenience of waiting anymore.
And frankly, some arguments are not worth having. In marriage, you need to pick your fights.
Jesus, just get her a Digit Photo Frame. Frameo is incredibly easy and it lets you add them.
She has multiple digital frames. But she still wants to print some out. Grandma’s will Grandma…
I’ve owned a HL-3070cw for a decade (I think, close to if not) - I’ve changed the toner carts 4 times, it’s printed high res color daily for pennies. Shit just works, and quality isn’t bad at all. Works from any device on the network - phones tablets desktops laptops - practically zero network admin/setup, it just fucking works for everyone. Cannot recommend enough.
Wait a second, people still use printers in 2024!
Yeah, the only time I needed to print something in the last 5 years was a passport renewal form. I just spent 10 cents to print it at my local library. I really don’t understand why anybody really needs a printer nowadays.
Part of the reason I got a brother LaserJet instead of an Epson eco tank was because I don’t need to worry about toner drying out. As much as I try to avoid it, I still need to print once in a blue moon and it’s not really “efficient” to drive to the library.
Yeah I had a legal document that needed a shorter turnaround than the time it took me to drive to the library print it, bring it by and submit it. So I own a LaserJet brother printer I got at office Max because my HP printer doesn’t print anymore because I unsubscribed from their ink shipping service so they remotely bricked it.
I highly recommend everyone buy a black and white toner based printer. Its the way to go to hit the right blend of “I live paperless what need have I for a printer” and “oh actually my society isn’t totally paperless sometimes I need a printed document”
Everybody donate to Pine64 so they can get that open source printer off the ground someday.
Wait, what?
Pine64, the company that has made such excellent projects as the PinePhone, PineBook, and PineTime(open source hardware and software smartphone, laptop and smart watch), has stated that one of their dream projects would be an open source, hackable printer. There’s obviously a ton of logistics though and it will likely never materialize unless they really start making big bucks.
First time I see it and couldn’t find any sources. What kind of printer? Thermal, matrix, laser/led, inkjet?
They only mentioned it in passing once (afaik) in a blog post. These aren’t actual plans so much as a pipe dream I think
Join the wendigoon trail, REBEAL
Printers shouldn’t be allowed to the edge…vlan with no Internet access… it’s a fucking printer not a web host.
Jokes on you it’s hosting hornets.
I did an internship at an OEM that was the dying most of the revenue came from government make work money for economic development and selling machines to the 3rd world because they were too dangerous for first world.
Our high end products did this remote deactivation thing. Hated it at the time still hate it today.
For those who don’t know, Wendigoon is a creepy lore youtuber.
He’s also sometimes been acredited with creating the aesthetic of the boogaloo boys, not sure how true that is.
As far as I’ve heard, his videos are fairly consistent with documentation of the events he covers, such as the unibomber, the MLK assassination, etc.
It’s very funny to think he wasn’t radicalized before the printer situation.
I did not know that! Thank you.
Yeah, he has a… questionable history, what with the “boogaloo boys” memes, but he stopped engaging with that pretty quickly around the time it became associated with Actual Nazis instead of semi-ironic government-hating libertarians.
He’s also sometimes been acredited with creating the aesthetic of the boogaloo boys, not sure how true that is.
I don’t really know anything about him, but I just checked out his channel and I don’t really think that’s true since its only 3 years old
He interviewed a fed.
He is not exactly radical, he is not a fan of the government and loves a good conspiracy.
He also is a devote Christian, but not a dick about it.
He, by all accounts, is a wonderful person that everybody who knows him loves.
Seen this so many times and glad to keep seeing it.
More people being informed on these scummy practices to look out for and avoid is a good thing.
I’m not glad that I keep seeing it. They were using managed printing i.e. pay-per-page. HP may make garbage and overcharge for ink, but I’m sick of people tapping the up arrow on low effort posts like this.
I will happily upvote anything that rags on HP printers, I don’t care how low effort it is. In fact, I would hate to think someone spent actual effort on anything HP related.
HP printers have been kicking puppies and insulting your mother for well over 20 years. Wait, they haven’t? Well, after a certain point a company has burned so much good will by making marginal printers, less-than marginal drivers and artificially differentiating inks and toners to such a degree it’s hard to see it as anything other than profiteering… pant pant …that nobody cares if it’s unfair or inaccurate.
Don’t buy HP. Think of the puppies. Think of your mother, for God’s sake!
I just don’t see the point in spreading misinformation. I have had almost entirely bad experiences with HP, but that doesn’t mean I go around spreading lies.
The point in shitting on HP is to shit on HP. Not sure what other point you’re looking for. Are you concerned that people are going to start feeling sympathetic?
