Don’t worry everyone, I’m sure someone somewhere is worse and that makes this okay somehow.

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    We fell in love in a homeless place… We fell in love in a hooOoomless plaaace…

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    Great! If the spikes weren’t inclusive trans people might feel excluded from the ban of sleeping on them

    /s

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      Specifically the NIMBYest of NIMBY “the solution is to fund the police” neoliberalism. 🖕

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        Is this one real at least? Because that’s a great concrete example of the kind of hypocrisy the op is alluding to

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            I mean yeah the point is the same, and this is universally awful no matter the colour. I would still like to know if this exact case of lib bs has actually occurred

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              Turns out it’s not:

              “Ya’ll, we made a mistake! While rocks r a common [part] of anti-homeless architecture, this particular rock is NOT. It’s a Japanese garden,” said the Coalition On Homeless. “Izakaya Sushi is a valued member of the community and is supportive of its homeless neighbors. We apologize [and] offer deep appreciation to the staff.”

              Full story

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                Good to hear. Especially this part

                Restaurant management also says that homeless people sometimes sleep in their entryway after hours without disturbance.

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      That, and the painting, might be put there by people protesting the spikes and not necessarily the owners of these spikes.

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    How can it be that people don’t realize how badly faked this is and what position it is trying to sneak through?

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          That’s not really the point, though.

          Edit to elaborate: Whether or not this specific one is real, it perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy of trans ally neoliberals who persecute and punish unhoused people for existing near them.

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            If there were so many examples of this in the real world, then you wouldn’t need to photoshop one.

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              The French Revolution was well documented and people still enjoy A Tale of Two Cities

              Are you saying we don’t need any fiction - novels, tv, movies, jokes, comics, memes… because there exists non-fiction versions?

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                I think you and the others trying to pass off the same idea don’t seem to understand the problem here. It’s not that you can’t have satire, or fiction that acts as a social commentary. It’s that all of the examples you are mentioning aren’t trying to pass themselves off as reality . Nobody reads A Tale of Two Cities and thinks that it is literal. Or A Modest Proposal. This here is trying to pass itself off as real and as soon as it gets called out for it, the choir shows up to say “Oh, so we can’t have satire anymore”.

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              Again, it’s an illustration of the hypocrisy. It doesn’t need to literally exist as a physical object in order to make the point.

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                It’s a fabrication of a hypocrisy. If the hypocrisy is real, you wouldn’t need to fabricate it.

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                  Sometimes fiction and altered objects depict abstract concept better than real physical objects do and neoliberals tend not to say the quiet parts loudly like the fascist party on the other side of the aisle has increasingly been doing in recent years.

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                  I mean the hypocrisy really exists, but you’re right that this particularly egregious and shocking example is likely a total fabrication.

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        I mean that someone saw hostile architecture and then decided to photoshop a trans flag over it for political reasons.

        We, as strangers, will never know their exact motivation, but I think if their idea was a message regarding the unfair treatment of economically disadvantaged people or neoliberal hypocrisy, there would be much better ways to communicate the issue, that don’t involve something that can easily be construed as anti-trans messaging.

        It’s a bit vibes based, but you know… people ain’t robots, and even if that wasn’t the original intent, that’s how the message comes across. And I’d rather have a better, more poignant statement that’s worth repeating, rather than this, perhaps unintentionally, bad one.

        Especially because people will take this at face value and there are more photoshopped images just like this, making the whole thing a bit sussy, imo.

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          Yeah, that’s not a reasonable interpretation. Intersectionality and criticism of lack of same is by far the most likely intent behind this picture.

          Pretending otherwise kinda seems like grasping at straws to avoid addressing the shortcomings of your favorite neoliberals.

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            My “favorite neoliberal”?

            I’m an entire person, not a single-sided strawman. I edited my reply to also state that I think neolibs suck too, if that helps to unflatten my thoughts on this a bit. And because I think they do.

            I’d also like to add that I’ve seen this image and others like it posted in anti-progressive groups by anti-progressive people, instilling exactly the message I explained earlier. Which is why I say the message either isn’t clear, or just bad.

            I don’t feel like I’m “gasping at straws”. I feel my argument is somewhat reasonable and I hope my point is a little clearer now.

            I have to go back to work now.

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              I still believe that your interpretation is unreasonable and mine is much more likely regardless of your anecdotal experience in anti-progressive groups, but I apologize for unfairly assuming bad intent on your part. Have a nice day!

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          If I had to take a guess at the motivations, I think someone saw the spikes as well as the equality sign in the window and took a picture because that’s kinda a juxtaposition. But I’m guessing that didn’t give enough “zing” that would be noticed as an internet post, so they edited the trans flag on the spikes to make it less subtle.

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      You’re at the top of my comment chain, so I’m replying to agree with you and take this further.

      Whoever photoshopped this and the other one with the park bench that’s floating around is trying to pit liberals against each other by making it seem like fighting for trans rights and fighting to house the unhoused are opposed to each other.

      For anyone reading this, don’t fall for it.

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        Sure, except I’m in California where it is two very different fights. Try reversing any LGBTQ Rights and you’ll get tarred and feathered. Suggest the Homeless shouldn’t be hunted in the streets and you also get tarred and feathered.

        It’s like living in reverse land where instead of “fiscal responsibility” and “traditional social values”; we have “fiscal responsibility” and “progressive social values”.

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    Nice, anti homeless and anti disabled all at once (lack of streetside seating makes getting around challenging for mobility limited people)

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    A society’s greatness can only be measured by how they treat their most vulnerable citizens.

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      People who say this are free to let the homeless sleep on their couch or in their yard, but they won’t.

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          Well would you? You agree they need a place to sleep, so would you let one crash on your couch? And if not, it means you actually want them to sleep on the street, so you’d rather the street and pavement be comfy, so you can feel somehow charitable, that you’ve made it easier for a homeless person to sleep outside, or on someone else’s property, instead of just offering them some of your own space.

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            It’s got to be an absolutely wild experience going through life thinking there is no middle ground between inviting strangers (many of whom are dealing with addiction or untreated mental illness) to sleep with you and your children and putting spikes and bars on all publicly accessible places to make life harder for those suffering the most.

            I’m guessing you love factory farming, animal abuse, migrant abuse, and child labor since you eat food?

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              I’m a vegetarian and native, don’t lecture me on your people’s atrocities and put them on me, colonizer.

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                I am just applying your own logic to you. You eat vegetables that were almost certainly picked by underpaid Central Americans and wear clothes that were fabricated in sweat shops made from fabrics harvested by children. If you’re living on a reservation funded by a casino, you’re likely benefiting from the drug trade or human trafficking as well. I’m as responsible for colonization as you are for the tribes that decided to help with the colonization for short-term gain. I acknowledge the atrocities of my ancestors - my family was also on the wrong side of the civil war. I also acknowledge that, despite having 1st nation’s heritage, I don’t present as native so I enjoy all the continuing privilege of whiteness. We ALL need to acknowledge that we can’t help but participate in systemic injustice, even if we’re fighting against it.

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            absurdism ergo hoc. I work with local homeless and have helped build tiny houses for the local homeless communities. Our goal is to provide housing so that people can access services critical to breaking the cycle of homelessness. a few weeks on my couch isn’t going to change someone’s life; a few months in a stable community with access to public services - to get them ID, to get them treatment for addiction, to get them job skills and financial aid - these are the things that change a life.

            You’re so damned certain you have everything figured out, when you’re simply in the dark… mumbling to yourself, head up your own rectum.