I remember Starbucks carried it before. It was wildly expensive.
I’ve had it farm fresh in Bali and at a swanky cafe in Penang. The shared characteristic was how smooth it is. Tastes different, not necessarily better or worse. Depends on what you’re after in your beverage.
In Penang, we had it with a normal espresso to compare. After drinking the Luwak coffee, the espresso lost all it’s flavour… It did something to our sense of taste!
Going through a factory you can tell there’s no chance the poop makes it to the final product. In fact, none of the cherry meat is used, only the bean, so I question what effect the digestive process has. Maybe the preparation method is different? I haven’t been to a normal coffee factory to compare.
The conditions the Luwak are kept in vary wildly, apparently the worst practices are in Vietnam. The Luwak are super cute , amazing fur, ones kept as pets were fun to interact with. The size of two house cats. Nocturnal, so I’ve only seen them active once.
I liked the coffee but not so much that I want to support demand for it. The Luwak is a totally unnecessary step in making what is already a great beverage regardless.
How do I block individual posts, because I’d like to stop seeing this one.
No shit coffee on your feed my friend? I’m sorry, but this is a DEMOCRACYYYYYYY!!!
Literally a shitpost.
He’s going to feel so relieved
Incredible how humans always find ways of abusing more animals.
I assumed you were full of shit about this being abusive but then I looked it up and oops
The moment an animal is involved in the process of making money they are bred, caged and treated only as “good” as needed so they stay alive.
We’ve done the same with people… Fuck capitalism and all its sociopathic sycophants.
humans are animals too so we’ve not really progressed that far
Indeed
Why would you ever assume an animal agriculture practice wouldn’t be abusive?
The bees seem kinda chill about it. They can just kinda fuck off after all.
Beekeeping is a real problem, especially since it became a new hobby for some people. It’s advertised as helping to save the bees but in reality the honey bees are not in danger. They are the danger - to wild bees and other local insects.
Thats a seperate matter from animal abuse though, also I live in a region with lots of orchards (or atleast used to have) so bee keeping is just kinda a factor.
Yes it’s not abuse but still a man-made problem for animals, which is why I mentioned it.
Not sure where the debate is this moment but from my understanding, vegans won’t eat honey.
I have a cousin who’s vegan and I was legit curious about this, and she literally said exactly that - “the bees can leave if they want”, but from what I understand there are other vegans who disagree
I won’t speak for other vegans, but my research into beekeeping and honey production turned me against the industry for the following reasons:
- Beekeepers will commonly clip the wings of queens to keep them from swarming or leaving.
- Semen is commonly extracted from bees by crushing them.
- Honey taken from hives is commonly replaced with a nutrient-devoid sugar solution, affecting the health of the bees.
- Selective breeding of honeybees has made them more susceptible to diseases which can also affect native insects.
- Honeybees have been shown to cause serious disruptions to plant-pollinator networks, putting local pollinators at great risk.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-honey-bees/
Thanks for the bullet points and link, comrade.
You can still get kopi luwak that’s solely from wild civets–rather than captive–but the price is astronomical. I think that the last time I looked it up–more than a decade ago–it was something like $150+/pound.
Thankfully I don’t drink cofee or alcohol, but have tried nicotine. People should live at least as healthy as me (and I’ll probably die at 60).
At least this one the money goes to help the elephants and the people protecting them.
Unless brewing them in a special way is required to bring out the flavour, it tastes just like regular coffee to me when I had it
I drank some while in Bali 😋
Did you know about it before or after drinking it?
Before I knew about it I only drank a cup. After I was informed I drank a liter.
Animal abuse tastes that good, huh?
I’ve been testing the taste from human too. So far the best tastes are from Bruma or Winterfell. Each has its own unique taste. I suspect this is caused by the local climate the people lived in.
I thought this was just a joke in persona 5 what the fuck?
“This coffee tastes like shit!”
“It is shit, Austin.”
“Oh good, then it’s not just me.”
lol, wanted to make sure this was here.
Thanks.
Wild civit cats would usually cherry pick the best, well, cherries (beans) . Thereby ensuring a quality product. Nowadays they are captive and fed any old beans which means the quality is usually quite poor. I mean it still tastes OK, a bit sour, but I certainly don’t support this cruel practice.
SURELY you could invent another way to ferment coffee beans that does not involve having a cat shit them out, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE it’s not possible to find a better way.
Well yeah… Its just called normal coffee
If you’re thrifty like myself you can eat the beans yourself for a homemade version
Additionally, iirc a lot of these are unethically farmed too, like force feeding them in captivity and collecting the droppings. This also reduces the quality.
I was in Bandung in Indonesia earlier this year. We visited one of these places not realising what it was. The visitor centre had a bunch of cages which weren’t small but I wouldn’t say large enough for the size of the animal. We asked if we can see the actual farm. He said it was the largest farm so we asked to see it. Nope, not allowed.
They’re also on a strict diet. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ones not on display are force fed.
If you are a living organism with the capacity to tell misery or pain just hope that humans don’t find out you can make a product that nothing else an can. If you do end up I’m that situation, you will be turned into a biological machine that receives the minimum amount of necessities met as to not impact production.
