• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    861·
    6 days ago

    Can’t believe the corporately owned, corruptly managed, and heavily advertisement-based website would have so many rules against talking about bad things happening to rich people. That shit’s crazy. Who would have guessed?

    • granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
      40·
      6 days ago

      They let it run for a full week though… the crack down started yesterday today in lock step with the heavy fake news push.

      The ruling class let us have our fun, now comes the dick.

      This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.

      Don’t let up now…

      Single payer or bust

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        17·
        6 days ago

        The ruling class let us have our fun

        Can’t help but suspect everyone was hiding under their desks until the culprit was apprehended.

        This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.

        Its certainly hit a nerve. But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.

        Single payer or bust

        Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          Luigi isn’t the culprit. The cops planted that evidence on him. They won’t let him talk to the press because he didn’t do it.

        • granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
          3·
          6 days ago

          But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.

          You are correct but not grass roots

          Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.

          Can I get an, amen?!

  • .Donuts@lemmy.world
    3581·
    7 days ago

    “we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines”

    There’s another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.

    • Vespair@lemm.ee
      5·
      6 days ago

      They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.

      But they won’t, because they’re cowards.

        • Optional@lemmy.world
          153·
          6 days ago

          Not true - we’re just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.

          Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.

          Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.

          • Serinus@lemmy.world
            14·
            6 days ago

            !lemmyworld

            We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.

          • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
            17·
            6 days ago

            You can for past crimes, not future crimes.

            The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld

            About the manifesto

            If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.

            https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763

            On the other hand, there is !AskUSA@discuss.online that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877

              • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world
                16·
                6 days ago

                To determine whether or not an accused individual is guilty there are two primary options in the USA. A trial before a judge who makes the decision, or a trial by a “jury of your peers” where the whole jury must agree that the individual is guilty. A jury of one’s peers means that the people selected to hear the case are selected from the general populace and have no substantial connection to the accused. For example, you wouldn’t put the person’s mother on the jury. The jurors are not required to be lawyers or experts in any field. Just average people.

                If you just wanted some people to take the facts of the case and the facts of the law and determine whether or not the accused was guilty, then you would want experts and lawyers on the jury. That’s how trials used to be hundreds of years ago. A judge, often appointed by a king, would pass sentence over the peons brought before him. Since our legal system has average everyday people as jurors, clearly they are supposed to do more than that.

                This is where jury nullification comes in. The jurors not only judge based on the facts of the case, but also on whether or not the law in question is just. If an individual is accused of a crime, and is clearly in violation of the law, the juror can still find them not guilty if the law in question is unjust. In essence, the jurors nullify the law by refusing to convict. For example, during the prohibition era, it was not unheard of for juries to return not guilty verdicts for people accused of selling or transporting alcohol. The jurors thought the laws was were wrong so they refused to convict. A much more tragic example was in the deep south where jurors would sometime refuse to convict people of lynching black people.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
      20·
      6 days ago

      Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.

    • Ohi@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 days ago

      You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.

  • Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world
    60·
    6 days ago

    The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.

    • Psychodelic@lemmy.world
      11·
      6 days ago

      This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can’t discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power

        • granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
          81·
          6 days ago

          well damn, did not realize that dead ceos and insurance company owners are now equivalent of “sick kids” within the US power structure.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
          5·
          6 days ago

          Hold on, let’s test that hypothesis

          Those kids with blood cancer deserved it!

          Now let’s see how many downvotes this comment gets. If it gets heavily downvoted, then all hail our leukemic overlords.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        19·
        6 days ago

        Yeah I wasn’t aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren’t entirely aware either.

        We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.

        • zecg@lemmy.world
          293·
          6 days ago

          platform enshittification

          It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit’s final form even back in 2006. I’m actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.

          • samus12345@lemm.eeEnglish
            12·
            6 days ago

            That wasn’t enshittification, just an influx of inexperienced users. Once the corporations got involved, that’s when enshittification truly began.

          • mkwt@lemmy.world
            28·
            6 days ago

            When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.

  • Th4tGuyII@fedia.io
    102·
    6 days ago

    It should’ve been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not allowing neutral reporting on Luigi’s own words is a bit too establishment even for them

      • Yokozuna@lemmy.world
        2·
        5 days ago

        It also refers to a more subversive methodology of the powers at be to suppress information that they don’t agree with and deem harmful to the status quo, i.e. Luigi’s manifesto. It’s a multi layered statement that really is applicable to situations.

        The thing it’s referring to in this instance is the fact that Reddit is not allowing freedom of speech under the guise of whatever reason it says it has and having that decision protected because it is a private company worried about its own interests.

      • naught101@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 days ago

        Does that mean you never see the riots with burning cars that seem to happen there every few years?

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
    261·
    5 days ago

    Yup. They permabanned me for saying I didn’t care when Trump said Liz Cheney should be shot, since she’s called for bombing millions of people.

    So it’s not just calling for violence that’s bannable. Now apathy for violence against the rich is a bannable offense. Smells like panic to me.

    • bigpapasmurf12@lemm.eeEnglish
      32·
      5 days ago

      I was perma banned for highlighting Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher should be denied the chance to move to Europe to escape Trump. Given they have deep links to PDiddy. A nothing comment, jumped on by emotionally unstable mods. It’s the same on most of the subreddits. If you don’t agree with their perspective, you lose.

  • zecg@lemmy.world
    252·
    6 days ago

    we have no choice

    You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account.

    • DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml
      113·
      6 days ago

      Deleting their account doesn’t change the rules, only the person enforcing them.

      • krashmo@lemmy.world
        5·
        6 days ago

        I’m seeing a pretty obvious parallel to Luigi’s actions in your statement. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as you’re making it out to be

      • Allonzee@lemmy.world
        10·
        6 days ago

        Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.

        Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.

        Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.

    • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
      305·
      6 days ago

      Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.

      • AtariDump@lemmy.world
        46·
        6 days ago

        Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.

        Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.

        • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
          10·
          6 days ago

          Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.

          The thing any sub with big following has mods that don’t mod for free.

          The narrative steering is not a free service.

      • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
        361·
        6 days ago

        Deleting their account does literally nothing.

        bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.

        • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
          28·
          6 days ago

          Eh. Sure. But ultimately makes no difference in the matter. You can’t make a statement when you’re literally irrelevant.

          • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
            161·
            6 days ago

            Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well “not vote” because “1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant”.

    • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      131·
      5 days ago

      I mean, free speech is a government thing. It’s got nothing to do with private companies. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.

  • secret300@lemmy.sdf.org
    442·
    6 days ago

    Why do people still use reddit? why do people still use twitter? why are people using bluesky thinking it’ll be different??

    • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
      491·
      6 days ago

      It’s the network effect. It’s always the network effect.

      Your current platform enshittified. Where do you go? Well, the majority of people are going to Bluesky, and it’s familiar in terms of UI, so you go there. Sure, you could convince someone like that to try something like Mastodon, but Mastodon is comparably much smaller than Bluesky, so its intrinsic value to people is substantially lower, not to mention the fact that without an algorithm, most of these users have no clue how to curate a feed, since every platform has an algorithm now. A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.

      The same goes for Reddit vs. Lemmy. Reddit has much more users than Lemmy, more niche communities, higher engagement, etc. Why move somewhere that’s identical in function if it’s smaller? Your current platform works well enough.

      I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms. Reddit not letting people publish a person’s manifesto isn’t gonna convince many people to abandon their entire accounts and communities and to switch to Lemmy.

      It literally took Twitter being rebranded into oblivion, and turned into an explicit safe haven for fascists and far-right freaks, with an algorithm deboosting non paid-for content multiple times over before people really started flocking out in large numbers.

      • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
        3·
        5 days ago

        One issue with alternative smaller platforms can also be them becoming cesspools of users banned from the big platform. The first couple of Reddit alternatives quickly collected the racists and jailbait porn.

        A viable alternative platform needs more than extremist niches.

        • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          5 days ago

          Too true. The first lemmy instance I signed up for shut itself down without warning within a week of me signing up because they’d accidentally federated with a CP instance and their country’s government could have ended up putting the instance’s owner in jail for it.

      • localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de
        141·
        6 days ago

        Coming to Lemmy means losing some of the really well supported niche communities from Reddit of old and that was the biggest hit of leaving, but the site being such cancer now I wonder how well they are doing anyway.

        Lemmy, once you’ve blocked 90% of the weird tankies, really does feel like Reddit from 10+ years ago in the comments. It’s just a shame due to its current small size how single minded the general feed often feels. Hopefully that improves

      • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
        23·
        6 days ago

        I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms.

        People use the Internet without an adblocker

        • Polymath@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          5·
          5 days ago

          Compare also: the people who bitch about McDonald’s, Walmart, Amazon, or similar, yet still spend money there. In many cases (not all), there’s an option to spend elsewhere, yet folks still vote with their wallet to pay into the system that f***s them.

          Capitalists don’t care about our gripes. The only language they know is profit and money

          • ArchRecord@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            5 days ago

            To be fair, a lot of that is due to significant, meaningful pressures that prevent them from actually shopping anywhere else. Corporations that provide things with much more inelastic demand (food, home goods, etc) are harder to escape from than social media sites that nobody actually needs to, for instance, stay alive.

            For instance, Amazon’s “most favored nation” policy means that you’re literally not allowed to sell your product anywhere else for cheaper. Amazon becomes the only place where products have the lowest possible price you could afford.

            If you need to buy a given product, whether it be groceries from Amazon Fresh, or diapers for your baby, Amazon will give you the lowest price (by effectively just causing all other prices to go up), and if, like many Americans, you live paycheck to paycheck, you can’t exactly afford to switch stores.

            That isn’t true across the board of course, but it’s definitely a bit different from social media.

      • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
        13·
        6 days ago

        A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.

        Drag can confirm, drag has never used a social media without algorithms. Unless talking through two cans and a string counts.

    • ilinamorato@lemmy.world
      64·
      6 days ago

      Honestly I kinda wonder if he’s afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.

      • Krauerking@lemy.lol
        23·
        6 days ago

        Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…

        As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He’s absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.

        This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          9·
          6 days ago

          Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…

          I’m sure he thought to himself “I’m getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing… right?”

        • ilinamorato@lemmy.world
          12·
          6 days ago

          I forgot about that! “Everyone loves us, but maybe for your safety don’t tell anyone you work here.”

        • JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
          6·
          6 days ago

          I hope he pulls an Oedipus Rex and tries so hard to avoid killing his dad and fucking his mom that he accidentally kills his dad and fucks his mom.

      • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
        3·
        6 days ago

        And this is the guy who said he’d be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!

      • 7rokhym@lemmy.ca
        235·
        6 days ago

        If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸

        • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
          97·
          6 days ago

          Uhh…so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, “spaz” was originally used to describe people with “spastic” movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it’s fallen out of favour.

          That’s all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It’s just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.

          That said, I’m not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.

        • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
          56·
          6 days ago

          Bruh what. I’m not trying to control anything. Just offering an objective fact that you can use how you see fit.