I’m so glad spez fucked up reddit so much that people left and we have a more free platform instead of that shitshow.
Being able to discuss (& cuss, bizarrely Lemmy isn’t filled with “fuck” & “penis” posts) as adults is quite nice and seems to actually lead somewhere, sometimes.
Maybe the anger and frustration is part of some business model for reddit?
Lemmy is full of fucks and dicks. Sometimes they even have something to say!
But really, I believe any expletives should be used to further a message, not just because you can. Or filler words while talking.
Penis
Cum
Anger certainly is a powerful emotion to keep people engaged.
Can’t believe the corporately owned, corruptly managed, and heavily advertisement-based website would have so many rules against talking about bad things happening to rich people. That shit’s crazy. Who would have guessed?
They let it run for a full week though… the crack down started yesterday today in lock step with the heavy fake news push.
The ruling class let us have our fun, now comes the dick.
This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
Don’t let up now…
Single payer or bust
The ruling class let us have our fun
Can’t help but suspect everyone was hiding under their desks until the culprit was apprehended.
This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
Its certainly hit a nerve. But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
Single payer or bust
Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
Luigi isn’t the culprit. The cops planted that evidence on him. They won’t let him talk to the press because he didn’t do it.
Please just stop dude.
I’m sure he’ll have an air tight alibi
But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
You are correct but not grass roots
Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
Can I get an, amen?!
I know you meant stick and not dick, but it works either way 😂
“we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines”
There’s another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.
We will tolerate these beatings because we are still in love with the assaulter.
Oof… Yeah I mean… yeah. That’s a pretty apt description of how the world is where it is now.
No, actually because they’re hoping the assaulter will pass the bat once they get tired
Trickle down batonomics
They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.
But they won’t, because they’re cowards.
Didn’t lemmy.World admins also have an issue pinned earlier?
Yeah we’re not allowed to discuss jury nullification.
Not true - we’re just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.
Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.
Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.
I think this is going to cause de-federation.
A legal part of the justice system cannot be discussed?
You can for past crimes, not future crimes.
The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld
About the manifesto
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
On the other hand, there is !AskUSA@discuss.online that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
Not an American and we don’t have jury system here.
What’s jury nullification and any notable cases where it was applied?
To determine whether or not an accused individual is guilty there are two primary options in the USA. A trial before a judge who makes the decision, or a trial by a “jury of your peers” where the whole jury must agree that the individual is guilty. A jury of one’s peers means that the people selected to hear the case are selected from the general populace and have no substantial connection to the accused. For example, you wouldn’t put the person’s mother on the jury. The jurors are not required to be lawyers or experts in any field. Just average people.
If you just wanted some people to take the facts of the case and the facts of the law and determine whether or not the accused was guilty, then you would want experts and lawyers on the jury. That’s how trials used to be hundreds of years ago. A judge, often appointed by a king, would pass sentence over the peons brought before him. Since our legal system has average everyday people as jurors, clearly they are supposed to do more than that.
This is where jury nullification comes in. The jurors not only judge based on the facts of the case, but also on whether or not the law in question is just. If an individual is accused of a crime, and is clearly in violation of the law, the juror can still find them not guilty if the law in question is unjust. In essence, the jurors nullify the law by refusing to convict. For example, during the prohibition era, it was not unheard of for juries to return not guilty verdicts for people accused of selling or transporting alcohol. The jurors thought the laws
waswere wrong so they refused to convict. A much more tragic example was in the deep south where jurors would sometime refuse to convict people of lynching black people.
!lemmyworld
We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
Hidden Donuts, why are you hiding?
I am? Or am I missing a joke here? Wouldn’t be the first time
Hidden files on Linux start with a period.
Lemmy has to be one of the very few places on the internet where a Linux based joke isn’t considered obscure.
In Linux, putting a “.” before a file/folder name hides it. ;)
Ah shit my cover is blown, never used Linux
On Lemmy. Never used Linux. Your story doesn’t add up!
There’s dozens of us, DOZENS
I’ve only used Linux when I used Retropie, does that count?
There’s no hiding it. They can tell by your socks.
./Ha_ha
someone did -la
Anyone with integrity left reddit on July 1st, 2023
Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.
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I’ve thought about it as some of my niche interests have dried up on Reddit and apparently only live on Twitter now.
And maybe Discord. It’s hard to tell because it’s closed, but I see hints of discussion spilling out into GH issues or whatever.
I despise both for different reasons, but where else am OlI gonna go if I actually want to talk with the community?
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I still use Twitter. It has a pretty awesome metal community. People I’ve shared music with for many years now.
shithole 1 or shithole 2.
What if we made a new shithole?
then i would leave. Im trying to run away from the shit wave.
You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
It’s bots dude
The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.
This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can’t discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power
To check who rules you, check who you can’t criticize.
This ol’ reliable always works
Children with leukemia are the most powerful people in the world.
well damn, did not realize that dead ceos and insurance company owners are now equivalent of “sick kids” within the US power structure.
Hold on, let’s test that hypothesis
Those kids with blood cancer deserved it!
Now let’s see how many downvotes this comment gets. If it gets heavily downvoted, then all hail our leukemic overlords.
What a dookie instance. Can’t believe I spent over a decade in that corporate zoo
I mean, it didn’t start as one, but it morphed into one over time. Early Reddit was pretty great.
Yeah I wasn’t aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren’t entirely aware either.
We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.
platform enshittification
It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit’s final form even back in 2006. I’m actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.
That wasn’t enshittification, just an influx of inexperienced users. Once the corporations got involved, that’s when enshittification truly began.
When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.
Except for all the child abuse of course
It wasn’t always like that. The real shitshow only started when Huffman took over.
It should’ve been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not allowing neutral reporting on Luigi’s own words is a bit too establishment even for them
Wouldn’t want the LLM’s trained on reddit to be too sympathetic towards the people and antagonic against authority.
You mean that the company whose CEO caused a diaspora of users with his profit-seeking behavior may be siding with CEOs and not with the CEO killer?
The revolution will not be hosted on AWS
I don’t think this holds up to historical evidence.
It also refers to a more subversive methodology of the powers at be to suppress information that they don’t agree with and deem harmful to the status quo, i.e. Luigi’s manifesto. It’s a multi layered statement that really is applicable to situations.
The thing it’s referring to in this instance is the fact that Reddit is not allowing freedom of speech under the guise of whatever reason it says it has and having that decision protected because it is a private company worried about its own interests.
This is YouTube. Not reddit. I get your point you’re trying to push but it’s two different websites - good on YouTube to allow this kind of conversation to happen. But you can’t discount the reach that Reddit has. You can’t really have discussion on YouTube, the comment section is always a shit show. On reddit you at least have more space to talk to others and have people be a witness to your line of thought.
It’s THE NEWS. The “revolution” is being “Televised.”
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Does that mean you never see the riots with burning cars that seem to happen there every few years?
Yup. They permabanned me for saying I didn’t care when Trump said Liz Cheney should be shot, since she’s called for bombing millions of people.
So it’s not just calling for violence that’s bannable. Now apathy for violence against the rich is a bannable offense. Smells like panic to me.
I was perma banned for highlighting Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher should be denied the chance to move to Europe to escape Trump. Given they have deep links to PDiddy. A nothing comment, jumped on by emotionally unstable mods. It’s the same on most of the subreddits. If you don’t agree with their perspective, you lose.
we have no choice
You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account.
Deleting their account doesn’t change the rules, only the person enforcing them.
It’s like Wargames. The only way to win is not to play.
i like the challenge.
There’s no challenge, by participating you lose.
I’m seeing a pretty obvious parallel to Luigi’s actions in your statement. I don’t think it’s as straightforward as you’re making it out to be
Communities become ghosttown shitholes when the moderators work against good faith discourse.
Not the same day new shill mods are installed, but within a few months. It poisons everything.
Banning the creators/mods of a sub is banning the people that care most about that sub, and tends to lead to installing mods that are just looking to flex power, which makes the posts and discourse toothless, repetitive, and uninsightful, which makes regulars look for a new home, if they themselves are not banned for failing to regurgitate the only correct opinions as endorsed by the new mods tasked with bringing order.
Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
The thing any sub with big following has mods that don’t mod for free.
The narrative steering is not a free service.
Interesting, and something I never thought of.
Deleting their account does literally nothing.
bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.
Eh. Sure. But ultimately makes no difference in the matter. You can’t make a statement when you’re literally irrelevant.
Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well “not vote” because “1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant”.
We’re brainwashed to believe in “free speech” so we don’t notice that it doesn’t exist.
I mean, free speech is a government thing. It’s got nothing to do with private companies. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.
Would be great if those companies fucked off away from the government then.
Why do people still use reddit? why do people still use twitter? why are people using bluesky thinking it’ll be different??
It’s the network effect. It’s always the network effect.
Your current platform enshittified. Where do you go? Well, the majority of people are going to Bluesky, and it’s familiar in terms of UI, so you go there. Sure, you could convince someone like that to try something like Mastodon, but Mastodon is comparably much smaller than Bluesky, so its intrinsic value to people is substantially lower, not to mention the fact that without an algorithm, most of these users have no clue how to curate a feed, since every platform has an algorithm now. A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
The same goes for Reddit vs. Lemmy. Reddit has much more users than Lemmy, more niche communities, higher engagement, etc. Why move somewhere that’s identical in function if it’s smaller? Your current platform works well enough.
I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms. Reddit not letting people publish a person’s manifesto isn’t gonna convince many people to abandon their entire accounts and communities and to switch to Lemmy.
It literally took Twitter being rebranded into oblivion, and turned into an explicit safe haven for fascists and far-right freaks, with an algorithm deboosting non paid-for content multiple times over before people really started flocking out in large numbers.
One issue with alternative smaller platforms can also be them becoming cesspools of users banned from the big platform. The first couple of Reddit alternatives quickly collected the racists and jailbait porn.
A viable alternative platform needs more than extremist niches.
Too true. The first lemmy instance I signed up for shut itself down without warning within a week of me signing up because they’d accidentally federated with a CP instance and their country’s government could have ended up putting the instance’s owner in jail for it.
Coming to Lemmy means losing some of the really well supported niche communities from Reddit of old and that was the biggest hit of leaving, but the site being such cancer now I wonder how well they are doing anyway.
Lemmy, once you’ve blocked 90% of the weird tankies, really does feel like Reddit from 10+ years ago in the comments. It’s just a shame due to its current small size how single minded the general feed often feels. Hopefully that improves
It doesn’t have anywhere near enough of the weird transformation porn I like to be Reddit from 10 years ago
Be the change you want to see in the world! 😉
I’ve been around the internet basically since the internet and still learning new things every day…
Wtf is that lol
Yeah where is it so I can avoid it
Drawn images of things like chicks having their booba get bigger because of magic or dudes turning into anthropomorphic horses… Stuff like that
And that’s just the tamer stuff.
I’m curious, what do you mean when you say “tankie”? It’s a word that’s used to mean so many different things these days
I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms.
People use the Internet without an adblocker
Compare also: the people who bitch about McDonald’s, Walmart, Amazon, or similar, yet still spend money there. In many cases (not all), there’s an option to spend elsewhere, yet folks still vote with their wallet to pay into the system that f***s them.
Capitalists don’t care about our gripes. The only language they know is profit and money
To be fair, a lot of that is due to significant, meaningful pressures that prevent them from actually shopping anywhere else. Corporations that provide things with much more inelastic demand (food, home goods, etc) are harder to escape from than social media sites that nobody actually needs to, for instance, stay alive.
For instance, Amazon’s “most favored nation” policy means that you’re literally not allowed to sell your product anywhere else for cheaper. Amazon becomes the only place where products have the lowest possible price you could afford.
If you need to buy a given product, whether it be groceries from Amazon Fresh, or diapers for your baby, Amazon will give you the lowest price (by effectively just causing all other prices to go up), and if, like many Americans, you live paycheck to paycheck, you can’t exactly afford to switch stores.
That isn’t true across the board of course, but it’s definitely a bit different from social media.
A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
Drag can confirm, drag has never used a social media without algorithms. Unless talking through two cans and a string counts.
And while we’re at it, why the fuck is the water wet?
Water is wet?
Blue sky is different. No elon
Until some other fuckwit buys it out (my pessimism says they’ll never get around to making it truly federated).
Most social media has no Elon.
The revolution will not be televised
Fuck reddit
Spaz gonna help his ceo friends
Honestly I kinda wonder if he’s afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.
Case in point: this was briefly on the latest r/place before it was removed.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He’s absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.
This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
I’m sure he thought to himself “I’m getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing… right?”
I forgot about that! “Everyone loves us, but maybe for your safety don’t tell anyone you work here.”
I hope he pulls an Oedipus Rex and tries so hard to avoid killing his dad and fucking his mom that he accidentally kills his dad and fucks his mom.
He is only creating a Streinhand effect.
And this is the guy who said he’d be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!
he did?
I misremembered exactly what he said, it was “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
Source is from a 2017 interview: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
iv’e seen some of his pretty shitty old posts on reddit but im not suprised.
FYI, the S word is increasingly seen as a slur.
If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸
Uhh…so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, “spaz” was originally used to describe people with “spastic” movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it’s fallen out of favour.
That’s all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It’s just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.
That said, I’m not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.
Since you clearly missed it, “spaz” was just a typo of /u/spez, the CEO of reddit.
You know, the first thing I do in the morning when I wake up really should not be get on Lemmy.
Bruh what. I’m not trying to control anything. Just offering an objective fact that you can use how you see fit.
It was just a typo of spez
Better than Spez… crap I said it!
He’s a spastic moron so the name fits wonderfully.
Speztic
Reddit is no longer the people’s champion, and it’s now official.
They do have a public CEO now.