The main reason I haven’t switched to EVs is due to the low range and high charge times. For now I’ll stick with hybrids. Great range and cheaper (10gal tank).
It’s not literal. But the idea is you plug it in in the evening, and in the morning you unplug it fully charged, which all told takes less than 30s of you having to do anything.
This is a very fair concern with a lot of people switching to EV. I’m lucky enough to be a homeowner with a garage, but if you don’t have a good charging solution either at work or home? EV isn’t right for you today.
One of the best parts of them is that I’ve had to stop to charge in route twice in 4 years of ownership.
Depending on your location, many municipalities are starting to cover the costs of installing EV charging stations at apartments. They usually ask you to pay a monthly fee for the service.
My Model 3 has a real world range of about 420km (maybe 300 if I constantly go 160km/h). For long travels this is more than I need, as I usually travel with the family and about every 2 or 3 hours I need a break. Plug it in, eat something, your good to go an additional 200km with the charge you added.
It also takes me to work and back for 4 or even 5 days. When I could not charge at home I could at work or while grocery shopping. I prefer this over waiting 3 minutes at the gas station doing nothing else than holding a dirty hose.
It always amazes me that people are like “but I can’t drive it for 7 straight hours without having to stop for 15 minutes!”
Like… Get the fuck off my roads you dangerous dickheads. If you drive an electric cross country you’ll be charging it for as long as and as regularly as the minimum amount of breaks you must take in order to drive safely. Just fucking do it even if you’re in a fossil fuel car that technically could let you avoid taking those breaks. Why are people like this‽
Man, you’ve got no idea what it takes to make the world go 'round. There’s a whole group of people out there doing the hard work that you’d never do that have to work long hours, and have to drive long hours to maximize time with their family. It’s not that I -have- to drive 7 hours without a 15 minute break, but it’s that I’m going to regardless of what anybody says because I am living my life right up against the edge of maximum productivity. I don’t need the same amount of rest as the 58 year old trucker that’s on his second stroke, so I’m not going to follow these generalized “guidelines”.
We’re the ones that paid the taxes to get the road built, so why don’t you merge back into the slow lane and let us live our lives? Lol.
You think the edge of maximum productivity involves driving 7 hours? What’s that per day? Trip? And do you think people who don’t drive 7 hours aren’t paying any taxes? And that you’re doing some kind of service to everyone else by driving so much? Or that your shitty situation applies to the majority of people who complain about EV ranges?
What an intelligent and nuanced opinion you have. Most of the drivers in the US drive less than an hour a day for their commute. (https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/one-way-travel-time-to-work-rises.html)
Even if they jumped straight on the highway at 70mph, they’d still have 2 or 3 days before they would need to recharge. Not to mention that most of the time I average about 35mph on my mixed driving commute, the real distance most people drive is much less than that generous estimate. Charging overnight off a regular wall outlet will easily replenish those miles as well.
As for paying taxes to build roads, as a hybrid owner in my state, I actually pay more per mile than almost every other vehicle type. I pay more than my share for the roads.
Try thinking a little bit before you assume that your outdated dinosaur ways are the future for everyone.
I wanna preface this by saying I agree with you BUT aren’t electric vehicles generally heavier than their non electric counterparts? So paying more in taxes sorta evens out with the wear and tear that those heavier vehicles would put on the road.
That said, I’m just an ignorant dude with no sources so feel free to call me out.
We’re the ones that paid the taxes to get the road built
Then why don’t you stop wasting your precious time here and spend it demanding those taxes go towards paying for changes that allow you to earn a living, and spend time with your family without having to make dangerously long drives on a regular basis?
420km is not acceptable for the price of the car or long-distance traveling. In the US, that’s not anything crazy to do on a normal basis. That would add an extra hour to an hour and a half. Tesla isn’t the company to back, I’m looking forward to Honda and Toyota products. Hopefully, Subaru will start pushing EVs sooner than later.
I’ve been driving a plug-in hybrid (Chevy Volt) for several years, and it only gets up to 35-40 miles on electric (sidenote: newer plugin hybrids get much better ⚡ range), but that’s enough for 95% of my driving. It has saved me thousands of dollars in gas over the years, helped with local pollution levels, and as far as I’m able to determine, has been better for climate change as well.
I have a Honda Insight and it has saved me a lot due to getting 49 mpg highway. Gas prices haven’t been an issue due to the small tank.
Don’t get me wrong, I want an EV and wish the US would subside some of the cost to get people to adopt the tech quicker. However, most of the EV companies are smaller with low production and low range.
For me, it doesn’t make sense yet. Hopefully, when the major companies start rolling out their products they will have better results. Plus I don’t want to support an open racist and let’s be honest a pedo.
I do have my eye on the Honda Prologue, 400 range would be great if they can accomplish it.
400-450 would be acceptable. With a range like that, I would also accept the current charge times. The range is the biggest issue though. Long-distance traveling is an issue for me in the US. Having to stop and wait for 30-40 minutes to charge is a lot when you are trying to go 600 miles. That adds up.
Curious, what in the world are you doing that regularly has to on the road for that duration of time?
I’ve owned an EV for about 4 years now. The number of times I’ve been forced to stop at a charging station is twice in that time period. A stop at a gas station is easily 5-10 minutes, something I cannot do at home. The amount of time I’ve personally saved in traveling is huge. Days of time at a pump I never had to spend.
But, I’m only on the road about 2-3 hours a day for my commute. I’m not spending 4-5 hours a day driving very often.
I’m talking about family trips or business trips. From your statement, I can assume you are either in Texas or California. Both have better infrastructures due to being manufacturing states for EVs. So states are not as developed. Yeah, you can do home charging unless you are like many Americans and live in apartments. So places put in their contracts that you can charge there. A 240-range vehicle for me would be a lot of charging.
I live in Colorado, but your point is mostly valid. If you don’t have a home charging solution then an EV starts looking a lot more questionable.
My commute is about 60 miles. The car reports I will burn a bit over 50% battery going there and back again when at full charge, and after the full round trip it’s generally only off by about 1-2% from its topped off estimate. So for my own real world experience? It’s generally accurate for it’s range estimation and when it’s off I generally know why (Driving 85 mph on low traffic days does not help me at ALL).
But still, if your business has you traveling that much then yeah, an EV doesn’t make much sense.
The main reason I haven’t switched to EVs is due to the low range and high charge times. For now I’ll stick with hybrids. Great range and cheaper (10gal tank).
Plug-in hybrids are where it’s at. I love my Volt.
I got a Honda CRV hybrid.
AWD SUV gets 40 mpg. If one was available when I had to buy, I would have gotten a plug in hybrid. I absolutely love it.
Yeah, a plug-in hybrid isn’t bad and would be an option as well.
At least EV’s from other vendors wouldn’t gas light you about the range.
Do they? That would be surprising, because they also do this about gas usage per 100km with their non-EV cars 🤷
If you think about it, wouldn’t it be electric lighting you
*sigh*
No idea what your situation is, but mine takes 30 seconds to charge and has enough range to cover my daily commute for a week.
What car do you have that takes 30 seconds to charge? That’s bad ass
It’s not literal. But the idea is you plug it in in the evening, and in the morning you unplug it fully charged, which all told takes less than 30s of you having to do anything.
Problem is, that only works if you have a place to plug it in. I would have gotten an EV by now if I didn’t have outdoor parking in a shared lot.
This is a very fair concern with a lot of people switching to EV. I’m lucky enough to be a homeowner with a garage, but if you don’t have a good charging solution either at work or home? EV isn’t right for you today.
One of the best parts of them is that I’ve had to stop to charge in route twice in 4 years of ownership.
Depending on your location, many municipalities are starting to cover the costs of installing EV charging stations at apartments. They usually ask you to pay a monthly fee for the service.
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The range for city driving just inst an issue.
My Model 3 has a real world range of about 420km (maybe 300 if I constantly go 160km/h). For long travels this is more than I need, as I usually travel with the family and about every 2 or 3 hours I need a break. Plug it in, eat something, your good to go an additional 200km with the charge you added. It also takes me to work and back for 4 or even 5 days. When I could not charge at home I could at work or while grocery shopping. I prefer this over waiting 3 minutes at the gas station doing nothing else than holding a dirty hose.
It always amazes me that people are like “but I can’t drive it for 7 straight hours without having to stop for 15 minutes!”
Like… Get the fuck off my roads you dangerous dickheads. If you drive an electric cross country you’ll be charging it for as long as and as regularly as the minimum amount of breaks you must take in order to drive safely. Just fucking do it even if you’re in a fossil fuel car that technically could let you avoid taking those breaks. Why are people like this‽
Man, you’ve got no idea what it takes to make the world go 'round. There’s a whole group of people out there doing the hard work that you’d never do that have to work long hours, and have to drive long hours to maximize time with their family. It’s not that I -have- to drive 7 hours without a 15 minute break, but it’s that I’m going to regardless of what anybody says because I am living my life right up against the edge of maximum productivity. I don’t need the same amount of rest as the 58 year old trucker that’s on his second stroke, so I’m not going to follow these generalized “guidelines”.
We’re the ones that paid the taxes to get the road built, so why don’t you merge back into the slow lane and let us live our lives? Lol.
You think the edge of maximum productivity involves driving 7 hours? What’s that per day? Trip? And do you think people who don’t drive 7 hours aren’t paying any taxes? And that you’re doing some kind of service to everyone else by driving so much? Or that your shitty situation applies to the majority of people who complain about EV ranges?
What an intelligent and nuanced opinion you have. Most of the drivers in the US drive less than an hour a day for their commute. (https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2021/one-way-travel-time-to-work-rises.html) Even if they jumped straight on the highway at 70mph, they’d still have 2 or 3 days before they would need to recharge. Not to mention that most of the time I average about 35mph on my mixed driving commute, the real distance most people drive is much less than that generous estimate. Charging overnight off a regular wall outlet will easily replenish those miles as well.
As for paying taxes to build roads, as a hybrid owner in my state, I actually pay more per mile than almost every other vehicle type. I pay more than my share for the roads.
Try thinking a little bit before you assume that your outdated dinosaur ways are the future for everyone.
I wanna preface this by saying I agree with you BUT aren’t electric vehicles generally heavier than their non electric counterparts? So paying more in taxes sorta evens out with the wear and tear that those heavier vehicles would put on the road.
That said, I’m just an ignorant dude with no sources so feel free to call me out.
Then why don’t you stop wasting your precious time here and spend it demanding those taxes go towards paying for changes that allow you to earn a living, and spend time with your family without having to make dangerously long drives on a regular basis?
I do plenty of that too. Hopefully you are too!
People can be perfectly capable of operating in a system while demanding change in that very same system.
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Evidently you care enough to want to shush me.
420km is not acceptable for the price of the car or long-distance traveling. In the US, that’s not anything crazy to do on a normal basis. That would add an extra hour to an hour and a half. Tesla isn’t the company to back, I’m looking forward to Honda and Toyota products. Hopefully, Subaru will start pushing EVs sooner than later.
A month with a Tesla and I bet you’d change your tune.
A month with a Tesla and I’m sure I would have it in the shop fixing all their flaws.
Yeah? You sure about that?
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Eh, my brother has owned a Tesla Model 3 for a few years now. He’s had fewer trips to the service center than my partner, who got a new 2021 Civic.
That’s fair, it really depends on your situation!
I’ve been driving a plug-in hybrid (Chevy Volt) for several years, and it only gets up to 35-40 miles on electric (sidenote: newer plugin hybrids get much better ⚡ range), but that’s enough for 95% of my driving. It has saved me thousands of dollars in gas over the years, helped with local pollution levels, and as far as I’m able to determine, has been better for climate change as well.
I have a Honda Insight and it has saved me a lot due to getting 49 mpg highway. Gas prices haven’t been an issue due to the small tank.
Don’t get me wrong, I want an EV and wish the US would subside some of the cost to get people to adopt the tech quicker. However, most of the EV companies are smaller with low production and low range.
For me, it doesn’t make sense yet. Hopefully, when the major companies start rolling out their products they will have better results. Plus I don’t want to support an open racist and let’s be honest a pedo.
I do have my eye on the Honda Prologue, 400 range would be great if they can accomplish it.
What would be an acceptable range and charging time?
400-450 would be acceptable. With a range like that, I would also accept the current charge times. The range is the biggest issue though. Long-distance traveling is an issue for me in the US. Having to stop and wait for 30-40 minutes to charge is a lot when you are trying to go 600 miles. That adds up.
That’s around 4 hours of highway speed driving.
Curious, what in the world are you doing that regularly has to on the road for that duration of time?
I’ve owned an EV for about 4 years now. The number of times I’ve been forced to stop at a charging station is twice in that time period. A stop at a gas station is easily 5-10 minutes, something I cannot do at home. The amount of time I’ve personally saved in traveling is huge. Days of time at a pump I never had to spend.
But, I’m only on the road about 2-3 hours a day for my commute. I’m not spending 4-5 hours a day driving very often.
I’m talking about family trips or business trips. From your statement, I can assume you are either in Texas or California. Both have better infrastructures due to being manufacturing states for EVs. So states are not as developed. Yeah, you can do home charging unless you are like many Americans and live in apartments. So places put in their contracts that you can charge there. A 240-range vehicle for me would be a lot of charging.
I live in Colorado, but your point is mostly valid. If you don’t have a home charging solution then an EV starts looking a lot more questionable.
My commute is about 60 miles. The car reports I will burn a bit over 50% battery going there and back again when at full charge, and after the full round trip it’s generally only off by about 1-2% from its topped off estimate. So for my own real world experience? It’s generally accurate for it’s range estimation and when it’s off I generally know why (Driving 85 mph on low traffic days does not help me at ALL).
But still, if your business has you traveling that much then yeah, an EV doesn’t make much sense.
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