“As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now,” the staffers wrote.
Imperialists thinking they can puppeteer another imperialist. Maybe they’re right who knows.
Remember this blood is on the hands of anyone who voted for him and would vote for him again.
Genocide is Biden’s legacy, hope it was worth saving “democracy”.
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All right, but this doesn’t make you any different from Trump supporters that Democrats love to accuse of (mostly correctly) being fascists.
The problem with you feeling like this critique makes you defensive and want to just go for the easy option is that there is always another option that you could do but it seems like it’s impossible for it to dawn upon you people. It’s either genocide or worse genocide. No other choice. But it’s also totally a functioning democracy worth defending, unlike those other bloodthirsty authoritarian regimes.
If you can’t figure out another option or don’t support it or think it’s impossible because it’s difficult so might as well not do it, then continue doing as you are but, yes, be aware there is blood on your hands and you are acting as a fascist supporter at best.
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Biden did not cause the problems in Gaza, what are you on about? He’s not the one in charge of Israel’s actions. I am not a fan of him or a fan of sending aid to them, but this is just overdramatic.
On top of that, if people didn’t vote for Biden then we would have Trump doing the same plus a bunch of other worse shit on top of that. We have two choices everytime. All people can do is vote for the lesser of two evils and that’s what they did. If you wanna throw away your vote and help the objectively worse party win a presidential election again, that’s on you, but most sensible people understand the choice we are forced to make thanks to our shitty system.
Biden did not cause the problems in Gaza, what are you on about? He’s not the one in charge of Israel’s actions. I am not a fan of him or a fan of sending aid to them, but this is just overdramatic.
No, he’s just the one supporting funding and arming Israel no matter what they do for decades and voting for him continued to enable Israel which inevitably led to this moment we’re at now.
On top of that, if people didn’t vote for Biden then we would have Trump doing the same plus a bunch of other worse shit on top of that. We have two choices everytime. All people can do is vote for the lesser of two evils and that’s what they did. If you wanna throw away your vote and help the objectively worse party win a presidential election again, that’s on you, but most sensible people understand the choice we are forced to make thanks to our shitty system.
Whataboutism.
Whataboutism.
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
The choice to vote for Biden is linked to the choice to vote against Trump. They can not be separated from one another. To do so is to be disingenuous. We live in a democracy with a two party system. The Republican party is disproportionally represented by our electoral system and win with low voter turn out.
Since we can not separate the choice of voting for Biden and rejecting Trump, it is justified to bring up what Trump and the Republicans would do. If we want any chance of the US demanding a ceasefire then we need to reject the Republican party who will blindly support Israeli no mater what.
You got what you voted for then. A whopping 4-hour daily ceasefire.
Thanks for voting!
I also avoided another disastrous four years under Trump. I can live with the choice to vote for Biden because everyone in the world will be worse off under Trump. So, you’re welcome.
Yeah, it could be worse for those maimed Palestinian kids. They could be dead, like those other Palestinian kids. Great trade.
Trump would have enabled and emboldened Israel’s government to kill more Palestinians. That would have been a worse outcome. There is no such thing as rock bottom. It can always get worse.
That you apparently have the privilege to not be affected by the consequences of a Republican government doesn’t invalidate the choices of those who would be, and voted accordingly.
We are all complicit in the same way we are all complicit for the war crimes committed by America in the Middle East: most of us did not have a choice in the matter whatsoever. All we can do is demand them to stop.
I’m not going to judge someone whose choices are “genocide” and “genocide even more, and even more local genocide” and picks the former.
On the contrary, you are displaying the tremendous privilege of living in the imperial core by being able to choose between “‘genocide’ and ‘genocide even more, and even more local genocide’” and justify literally voluntarily voting to choose genocide in order to make yourself feel more comfortable within the imperial core.
True fascism taking power in the US means that I and the people around me will be murdered. But I don’t feel the ethical apathy to be able to coldly prefer international genocide of others to keep myself safe at home all the while pretending like I saved the freedom for the entire world as children and whole families are being murdered. Biden is not the progressive savior all of you claimed he was, now at least you admit you chose “genocide”—which I do, and history will, judge harshly.
If you choose to vote for him again after this, you will consciously approve of genocide and be all the more guilty.
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Not voting for him again directly enables a guy that would do so much worse. Your stance lacks any understanding of the limits to our voting system.
How could it be worse than genocide for Palestinians?
Israel could genocide all 2.2 million people living in the Gaza Strip, all 3 million people living in the West Bank, the 1.6 million Palestinian people who live in Israel, the 5.5 million people living in Lebanon and get into a massive conflict in the Middle East where they end up using nuclear weapons.
Oh, and Trump could deport the 225 thousand Palestinian people living in the United States so Israel can genocide them too. Or just do it here in America. The Republicans will almost certainly streamline the death penalty and turn America’s mass incarceration system into death camps.
More whataboutism. Trump isn’t the President overseeing and providing cover for the genocide right now and Biden hasn’t helped in undoing neither the inhumane incarceration system nor the camps (‘migrant detention centers’) already underway in the US.
But I asked you what could be worse than genocide, and you responded by saying genocide. So, nothing can be worse than genocide? Great, then we are well on our way.
Even if it isn’t completed now, Biden has been more than helpful to the far Right colonizers in Israel by enabling this and setting precedent for whenever they wish to continue. Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, Israel has validity now to continue genocide. And Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, voters like you have spoken—support is unconditional, let genocide continue.
Where do you draw your line? How many murdered Palestinian families do you find acceptable?
More whataboutism. Trump isn’t the President overseeing and providing cover for the genocide right now and Biden hasn’t helped in undoing neither the inhumane incarceration system nor the camps (‘migrant detention centers’) already underway in the US.
I have already refuted this argument so I’m just going to copy and paste my earlier response.
Whataboutism.
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
The choice to vote for Biden is linked to the choice to vote against Trump. They can not be separated from one another. To do so is to be disingenuous. We live in a democracy with a two party system. The Republican party is disproportionally represented by our electoral system and win with low voter turn out.
Since we can not separate the choice of voting for Biden and rejecting Trump, it is justified to bring up what Trump and the Republicans would do. If we want any chance of the US demanding a ceasefire then we need to reject the Republican party who will blindly support Israeli no mater what.
But I asked you what could be worse than genocide, and you responded by saying genocide. So, nothing can be worse than genocide? Great, then we are well on our way.
The collective punishment we are seeing now is the start of genocide. It is not the full genocide. The difference is millions of people. There is no credibility to an argument that refuses to acknowledge this difference.
Even if it isn’t completed now, Biden has been more than helpful to the far Right colonizers in Israel by enabling this and setting precedent for whenever they wish to continue. Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, Israel has validity now to continue genocide. And Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter, voters like you have spoken—support is unconditional, let genocide continue.
No Trump would be worse. He was the one who moved our embassy to Israel. He is the one who is going to destabilize the situation further. Half of the Democratic party wants a ceasefire. Republicans want unconditional support for Israel. Have you ever watched or read fox news? The difference between the parties becomes quite clear, very quickly.
Where do you draw your line? How many murdered Palestinian families do you find acceptable?
You can’t guilt someone into enabling fascists. It doesn’t work. Think about all the people the Republicans are going to get killed. It’s not equivalent.
Whataboutism.
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by … raising a different issue.
Who raised the issue of Trump or the Republican Party when I discussed Biden?
We live in a democracy with a two party system.
Do you still feel it is a democracy worth defending by approving genocide when the choice is a fascist-enabler and a fascist?
No Trump would be worse. He was the one who moved our embassy to Israel. He is the one who is going to destabilize the situation further. Half of the Democratic party wants a ceasefire. Republicans want unconditional support for Israel. Have you ever watched or read fox news? The difference between the parties becomes quite clear, very quickly.
Whataboutism. It’s obnoxious when it isn’t being used against your opponents, right?
You can’t guilt someone into enabling fascists. It doesn’t work. Think about all the people the Republicans are going to get killed. It’s not equivalent.
I haven’t supported any fascists. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, was the one who guilted you into enabling fascists. Netanyahu has gone mask-off fascist and the Democratic Party guilted you and others into voting for Biden who has been enabling Netanyahu for decades, and continues to do so now. How many people have to be murdered for you to stop supporting Biden? Do you feel any guilt or shame for voting to empower Biden who shipped weapons and sent money to Israel to bomb children and their families?
Who raised the issue of Trump or the Republican Party when I discussed Biden?
Multiple people did. It’s not whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.
Do you still feel it is a democracy worth defending by approving genocide when the choice is a fascist-enabler and a fascist?
This statement is not based in reality. Trump is a fascist and fascist enabler. Biden is not.
Whataboutism. It’s obnoxious when it isn’t being used against your opponents, right?
It’s not a whataboutism if the issues are linked. Which they are.
I haven’t supported any fascists. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, was the one who guilted you into enabling fascists. Netanyahu has gone mask-off fascist and the Democratic Party guilted you and others into voting for Biden who has been enabling Netanyahu for decades, and continues to do so now. How many people have to be murdered for you to stop supporting Biden? Do you feel any guilt or shame for voting to empower Biden who shipped weapons and sent money to Israel to bomb children and their families?
It’s a two party system. Republicans win with low voter turn out. By not voting for Biden you are helping Trump. It’s just math. You can’t guilt people into supporting a fascist like Trump.
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Damn looks like there is ‘No Possibility’ that I will be voting for that cuck ever again.
Yeah, I’m sure Trump will do a much better job! /s
He talked to Netanyahu, Netanyahu refused a cease-fire. What specifically do you think he should be doing?
Read the letter from the staffers to find out.
About the genocide? The most you’re willing to demand from you government is that they ask their client state to stop doing genocide? Sanctions, pull all aid, condemnations, anything. They’re slaughtering civillians by the thousands.
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We give them billions of dollars per year in cash and weapons. This blood is on our hands because American taxpayers are funding every bomb. Also “unilaterally” just wouldn’t be true. The overwhelming majority of the international community would also like the genocide to stop.
I think you should deeply reflect on how evil your last sentence reads considering the circumstances.
You weren’t going to in the first place. ‘Cuck’ gives you away
not sure what you think that gives away, lol.
If he ends up as the dem candidate, you’d be an idiot not to
Well have to see if the Annoying Orange rises up as candidate again.
State polls show he is tied or winning in some cases over biden.
When certain two unnamed 3rd party people are included, numbers shift in an interesting way.
For biden to win, polling needs to be couple points higher, not just tied.
One year out, so… will be interesting to see how well polling works this time around.
His opponent will end the war in 24 hours! But you probably won’t like how he ends it…
God help me, I watched part of the GOP debate the other night, when asked what they would tell Netanyahu, they were all super eager to gove some variation of, “finish the job” neglecting to clarify if they meant Hamas or Palestine. I’m surprised none of them slipped and suggested a final solution. Sorry, but if you don’t like Biden, you really aren’t gonna like these folks take on it.
Of you can’t tell, they meant Palestine.
In just over a month, Israeli bombing has killed nearly 11,000 people in Gaza and displaced more than 70% of the territory’s population.
Jesus wept.
Surprised it’s not higher. Gaza’s government has spent $0 on defensive technologies. Zero radar installations, zero anti-aircraft weapons, zero SAM, zero bomb bunkers.
I mean every time they and repair anything… but I’m not supposed to talk about that, that’s antisemitism. /s 🤮
What everytime they repair something they can’t help but execute a little slave raid?
Taking from my comment on the other community where you posted this:
Biden asked for one and reported Netanyahu said no.
The headline sounds like he’s just dismissing his staffers
I assumed people could read past the headline.
I mean… Isn’t the point of the headline to concisely represent the article? That’s the entire reason clickbait is considered bad.
Yes, the information in the article is unimportant because the headline is cumbersome. /s
What the fuck are you talking about?
And that is a reason to make the headline misleading?
It’s almost like the US isn’t technically a combatant here.
Even if IDF stops shooting, what really makes people believe Hamas will stop? I want an end to the violence as much as anyone else but I really don’t see a cease fire doing anything but giving Hamas time to rearm and plan their next massacre.
And if IDF doesn’t stop shooting like they do now, will the continued escalation make less people flock to anti-israel organization like Hamas? Because all I can see happening is that, while Israel may take over some land, they are just strengthening the support of terrorists.
“Ok then stop sending bombs and using reaper drones to help them perform mass killings”
“No can do chief, Bibi told me I need to keep doing all that.”
You mean the headline is intentionally misleading to the point of misinforming people?
It’s straight up journalistic malpractice the way they phrased it
Considering the power that the US has over Israel, he pretty much is just dismissing his staffers.
That makes me feel better, but I wish he would put some weight behind it.
To be fair, i don’t think Israel is going to do a cease fire even if we yeet all the aid and support we promised them. Netty has been wanting this fight for… ages.
And even if he didn’t want the fight, a ceasefire now would destroy his coalition, being down the government , remove him from power, and probably end up with him personally in prison from the outstanding corruption allegations
Not too sure on that, US has many ways to force cease fires as good as starting coups.
I think if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, it would be done.
if we had a president and congress that wanted it done, Israel wouldn’t have felt comfortable doing it in the first place, really. I’m just saying at this point, I don’t think there’s a lot we can do. and as for starting a coup… that has never worked out well for the US.
Au contraire, I saw bananas on sale the other day for just 59 cents.
Considering how well those coups worked out, I’d really like for that sad chapter of US history to stay history, as much as I despise Bibi’s reactionary government.
Well, IMO the coups did what was required, same in latin america.
It stopped the political party that was going to rule and chaos would ensue.
Due to party plans of interfering with US corporations and allies.
They did meet short term goals but the long term blowback is indicative that it’s not worth it from a cold strategic perspective even when not factoring in the ideological hypocrisy
Oh, okay.
I think I understand a bit of what you are saying.
Thanks!
Ok but I’d really like to see our government try to make demands or ultimatums
Agreed.
Just because a thing is hard doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be done. I’m just a realist. They won’t stop until the hardliners on both sides are gone.
Well, if we yeet all the aid we send them, at least we won’t be facilitating a genocide in as many ways.
That’s a start and a step worth taking.
Keep in mind, part of the reason we’ve given all this aid to Israel, historically, is precisely for that leverage it gives us.
People are rolling in their graves that we’re not using it.
