Bro fuck discord
Honest question: how come?
The thing that did it for me was the updated privacy policy scandal about how they could now store all the contents of voice recordings. Now they know exactly where I live, how much I make, everything. Never paying for Nitro again, and my activity there plummeted.
Why is everyone celebrating that companies are starting to keep voice recordings and chat records of users? It is mad.
Because is proprietary and they’ve been making bad decisions like removing discriminators. Try out https://revolt.chat or https://matrix.org instead.
Dont forget they also harvest quite literally every single piece of data they possibly can about you- and if you install their app they collect information on everything else happening on your pc as well.
Oh and the admins have been exposed as groomers and their platform is absolutely infested with pedophiles in general.
That’s like… any platform ever tho?
I was going to ask “every platform is run by groomers and is infested by pedos?” but then I realized how close to true it is…
No sense in fighting the ‘everyone collects and sells your data’ point however, considering yes- they all do, but some do far far more harvesting than others…
This was because Skype’s file transfer was Peer-to-peer, so it wasn’t Skype itself hosting the files. While discord is actually hosting the files, which is much more costly.
Still bullshit 18 years later.
You can set up your own FTP server if you really care.
Wish Discord would implement that for direct messages at least.
Well discord could offer P2P option with no limit…
But then they can’t force you to get Discord Nitro.
This could be a nitro feature though
That’s a great idea for Nitro Plus!
- Executive somewhere, probably.
I’m guessing they don’t do it because it would take about 5min before people have written filesharing bots like the IRC XDCC bots of old.
But discord supports sending messages to people who are offline. It kind of breaks the paradigm if certain features require full synchronous communication. Maybe supporting p2p transfers during a video / voice chat would work though.
You say it as if not allowing people to send large files at all is somehow better than only allowing it sometimes.
It kind of breaks the paradigm if certain features require full synchronous communication.
you mean like voice/video chat?
Actually yeah. It feels like voice / videos were kind of tacked on. There isn’t a really good web based chat tool that doesn’t require some sign in and configuration. File transfer isn’t like that and people can easily drop links to third party services in any chat.
That sounds like a potential security risk.
Yeah but then no nitro no money no servers for chatting no discord discord ded :/
The difference between having 2 active user vs. having billions.
Not being able to transfer more than 100MB is just them lacking motivation. They don’t even need to host files just make everything bigger than 100 MB a torrent or something similarly p2p. Skype’s file transfers worked like that if I remember right.
Let everyone who wants the file also serve the file to other people that want it.
To be fair P2P file transfer is not always viable, and in some sense the situation may be getting worse as more people are behind NAT these days, and the adoption of IPv6 has been poor. This may not be the end of the world for torrents as long as some peers can be connected to, but private transfers between two people on restricted NATs might not be feasible without Discord acting as a middleman for the transfer (which could get expensive). Plus there are some small privacy concerns for a direct P2P file transfer, as it would leak your IP to anybody you’re transferring a file to… probably not a big deal in most cases, but it might be unexpected for some people. That said it might work fine in many cases when NAT isn’t an issue or when NAT punching works… But there’s also other downsides in terms of reliability, offline delivery, and handling multiple devices and stuff that might make the experience a little less consistent for people.
Nowadays routers are made to be friendly to hole-punching, so, actually, P2P works quite well
This is absolutely not a guarantee. There is a reason we need TURN servers, for instance.
Y’all don’t pass CDs around anymore?
You stopped using floppy?
Smh, kids these days. Clay tablets are superior!
I want to see your clay tablet when it rains young man. We drew on walls in a cave and then told the other one to go there.
But cave sharing is not private. Once it’s in the cave, it’s there forever. Do you want some scientist to study your nudes 10,000 years from now?
You can burn them, but you can’t reuse them afterwards
I graduated to 100MB ZIP Disks.
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Matrix with a WhatsApp bridge is the way to go. I’ve had it since over a year, and it works like a charm.
How does this work?
You need to host your own server and then install the software for the bridge.
I think it was this one https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp but no guarantees
an android emulator has whatsapp and matrix bridge set up, bridge reads it, and then the bridge sends you the whatsapp message to your matrix front end client(element or whatever) official documentation https://matrix.org/blog/2019/02/26/bridging-matrix-with-whatsapp-running-on-a-vm/
Thank you :) That looks really interesting
Yes! Just downloaded a client for it and can’t wait to try it!
I sometimes use Element. Can confirm, it’s pretty good. I wish more people would give it a try.
Just waiting for them to add proper audio call support, and I’ll convince even my mom to switch
Isn’t the file limit 25MB these days? And yeah, I remember Skype having no limit on that but I also remember it taking an eternity and a half to transfer some of those files.
Back in 2010 my best friend at the time sent me an entire pirated copy of need for speed most wanted in a zip file through Skype. It took the entire day for it to send and then it took my weak ass computer until I woke up the next morning to unzip the folder the game was on. I remember waking up and being overjoyed that it was at 97% completion. I only had to wait another few minutes for it to finish.
I still have that exe to this day. It’s basically impossible to play the game otherwise. I actually store the exe on my phone since it has so much storage and it’s easy to move it over thanks to USB 3.0 and higher. I do that with a lot of games actually.
It’s basically impossible to play the game otherwise.
I remember having to install Need for Speed Carbon on a dual-boot of Windows 7 in order to play it on Windows 10 iirc because 10 made a change that broke a certain DRM and I couldn’t install from disc. I assume it’s similar for Most Wanted?
The last time I tried to use a disk to install a nfs game was on a windows 8 laptop and it didn’t want to launch unless I did compatibility for XP and it didn’t end up installing the game anyways.
I mean it’s basically impossible to play the game otherwise because EA refuses to sell the black box need for speed games, and the only other way to legally obtain them is to buy a 20 year old dvd which didn’t sell very well to begin with. Even if I did that, I wouldn’t be able to install it because I haven’t had a PC or laptop with a disk drive in almost 8 years.
Since EA doesn’t want my money, I won’t feel bad about not giving it to them. Need for Speed Hot Pursuit, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground, Underground 2, Most Wanted, Carbon, are all abandonware. Too much copyrighted music and car licences for EA to even consider touching it so feel free to pirate the games.
Old Skype Lso worked on Linux like a charm… the good old times
skype probably didn’t save a copy of all your files forever, discord has to save a copy for the government!
Original Skype was mine blowing at the time because it was able to send files peer to peer even when people were behind firewalls. Peer to peer file transfers were the norm at the time, but when both parties were behind firewall file transfers wouldn’t work, obviously. Skype used different hacks like UDP punch to establish P2P connection and if everything failed then it would fall back to proxying.
How is udp a hack?
UDP punching is a hack.
UDP hole punching could be regarded as a clever “hack”
Skype was wild with how aggressively it tried to create a direct connection. I love it for its tenacity but it would do things like open up listening sockets on common server ports (so it would conflict with e.g. a webserver) which drove me nuts at the time
Haha, yeah! Going to settings and changing ports was always the first thing to do after installing Skype.
I’ve been using https://wormhole.app/ for file transfers over discord/text. The link is only good for 24 hours, but it supports up to 10 gb files.
I like swisstransfer, it allows up to 50gb
How is this sustainable for the people hosting this? This almost seems too good to be true.
Well, how much content is anyone gonna upload just for 24h? Unless DDoS is the goal.
Well, if only a thousand max-sized files get uploaded in one day (from people using it), that’s 10 terrabytes of storage needed. It’s very generous to run this for free (considering the power and bandwidth required for such a service).
Bandwidth isn’t a concern if you get an unmetered line, and 10TB storage is only about $250. I would imagine they make decent money from tech, and find the service very convenient personally.
Bandwidth is very much a concern, I’ll think they of course have multiple 1Gb/s and 10Gb/s NICs however those can also be capped if too many people download the files at the same time. I’ve had a small file hosting service and it capped out my 1Gb/s connection pretty easily after a while. Had to upgrade on 10Gb NICs and it still overloaded them after a few weeks, now who is going to pay for that even if the bandwidth is unmetered.
Iirc it uses webtorrent, which is a torrent protocol that runs in-browser for the most part.
Small file live on their servers using end-to-end encryption for the 24 hours.
Larger files are treated as a peer-to-peer torrent, which means that the tab needs to stay open until your downloadees are done grabbing it.
That webtorrent solution sounds awesome if that’s the case
I’ve been using WeTransfer. They hold the files for a week, but it’s only 2GB max if I recall. I’ll have to check out Wormhole now. Thanks for the FYI!
Legend. I’ll check it out 🥵
so true
Skype was mostly p2p so it enabled a lot more free functionality. Discord runs everything through its servers.
Almost as though it would be better if it didn’t
Pros and cons.
The experience is way more consistent in a centralized service. In Skype, sometimes your messages took ages to send and the call quality was horrible.
In turn, on a centralized service, they have limits, monetization, and they can sell your data.
P2P exposes your IP to those you need to connect to. So if you’re a streamer or something - share a file and you dox yourself. It also means if you’re offline you can’t send the file.
It’s just not practical over remotely hosted for it to be the default. There’s other apps you can download if you still want to use P2P
That’s the main reason I left Skype. Giving someone even your username and simply answering their call would expose your IP and be a major security liability.
This is the reason I’ve never used discord outside voice chatting with friends a few times per month.
A basic photo from my phone is over the file size limit. It’s essentially unusable, and I’m not going to get me and my friends and family to all pay a subscription for a feature literally every other chat app provides for free. Sorry.
I have supported Discord with a nitro subscription for as long as I’ve had an account. It’s a terrific program and there’s no reason to expect premium features for nothing in return. The mentality that everything should be free is why we have so many fucking ad driven online business models and I’m over it. I pay for what I use if it’s a good service.
it’s amazing that you’ve been downvoted for saying you pay for a service you use that’s not ad-riddled junk. how else do people expect these entities to make money that pays for servers, employees, etc.? someone operates the hardware and it’s not free.
That’s the same reason I do. A place for friends to hang out online free from ads and algorithms manipulating the conversation is such a rarity these days. All the features they give you for free are nice enough I don’t mind tossing them a few bucks for a theme and an animated avatar hat. Hopefully if enough of us do, we can avoid the enshittening.
That 8mb limit was annoying though. Glad they raised it.
A basic photo from my phone is over the file size limit. It’s essentially unusable
For a while this was a problem, but now Discord just auto-compresses photos over 8MB. Obviously this isn’t ideal if you want to actually share the full-size image, but for most use-cases a compressed photo is fine. Almost every other chat app is also compressing your images, it just isn’t telling you it’s doing it outright.
When did they start this? Because I last tried a few months ago to send a photo and it was telling me it was too large, and to buy nitro. It was ~8.6MB
Years ago, as far as I can tell. Are you using an older version of the app maybe? I’ve not had Discord outright refuse to send pictures for ~2 years now, for a while it would ask to compress them, now it’ll just automatically compress them (unless it’s so big it can’t of course).
Back in April they also increased the limit to 25MB, so even less stuff should need to get compressed anyway.
Maybe he send the full file and not just the photo via the photo option.
I believe it doesn’t always work for whatever reason. I had images from my phone get the ‘over 8mb’ message sometimes only a few months ago as well, sometimes it worked but other times it didn’t
Only the phone apps auto-compress, the desktop and Web versions do not.
Discord’s monetary scheme is so backwards. Pay to be able to upload a file greater than 8 MB… up to 100 MB. Pay to be able to upload and use animated emojis, pay to be able to use emojis from other channels. These are not features worth paying for.
A loooot of people seem to completely disagree considering how many people pay for nitro even after they removed discriminators (and the ability to change them with nitro).
What would you suggest Discords monetization system be instead?
I fully expect Discord to pull a spez sometime in the future. Probably not as destructive and blatantly anti user as that asshole, but bad nonetheless. Gotta remember that even if it’s already self-sustainable with the current nitros, investors want ROI and they want it NOW.
A photo shouldn’t be over 2 MB either. Compress them.
Compression ruins good photos.
Do I look like I know what a jpg is?
Goddamn 🌭
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Recently I wanted to transfer one 20GB file to my brother and I ended up using FileZilla.
But before that I tried some quick effortless solutions (like opening Skype/Teams and using that) and I failed.
I miss opening the IM app and quickly transfer something.
