There is a genetic war going on and average people are going to lose.
Negative population growth or negative economic growth? Huge difference.
Both. Economies suffer when the populations cannot replenish workforces and when average age gets older and older.
You end up with too many people to support and not enough people to do the work.
That’s a good thing right?
Yes. We have realized as a species that we are beyond max capacity and it just affects us negatively. It’s one of the most amazing things that we realized just as nature does.
I agree with you, that ecologically, this will probably be a good thing. Economically, we will need a different system as i doubt that any increase in consumption per capita could outweigh the increase in people we currently see. And our economic system is dependent on growth.
If capitalism continues unabated. This is far from certain.
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Only bad for nations that are shrinking too fast, like some nordic nations and South Korea. But most other nations will benefit from the less population growth rate.
Current difficulties caring for elderly will continue to get worse, as the population of working age people continues to shrink faster than the population of elderly
We could do like Logan’s run
True. Exemplify the YoLo lifestyle and go out in a big celebration when you’re at the top of your game
More submarines for the rich!
The economic system built on infinite growth will also collapse and leave most of those people in inescapable cut throat poverty and starvation
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We’ll be lucky if it goes that smooth. Usually the whole thing at least partially collapses, followed by is a few hundred years of dark age to sort things out and then rebuilding starts with a new system in place for another go.
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What if Cochran turns out to be a drunk disillusioned Musk in this timeline?
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He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child.
The problem with cannibalism is that once you develop a taste for it, it becomes difficult to stop
Last time they did it in africa… well I’m sure the following starvation was just a coincidence.
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So you’re saying we should sharpen the national razor?
They won’t care. The investors can’t think past next quarter.
Perfect example of Newspeak gaslighting.
“negative growth” instead of diminuition, population-recession, reduced population, or ANY proper rendition of the concept.
Nobody in mainstream media speaks plainly anymore, because … money requires befuddlement instead of clear-understanding?
Or is there some/any other explanation??
Apparently the proper term, 'natural decrease ', is much less sensational. It’s all about clicks and views now, not delivering good content.
Is it natural if it’s bought on by low wages and high prices making it impossible for most to afford a family?
Those in poverty usually have more children. Woman having more rights and joining the workforce is probably a major cause; which is probably why there’s all this money backing taking away women’s rights recently. Another major cause is likely isolation and lack of community in modern life (“it takes a village…”).
The proper term is decay.
Growth and decay. We learn this in elementary school.
(As time goes on, I realize I received a much better education than the vast majority of people on the planet.)
This seems to assume that current trends will continue for the next 76 years, which seems like a generous assumption.
I’m betting the reality is far, far worse.
Summary: The article from EL PAÍS discusses a study predicting a significant decline in the global population by 2100. Here’s a summary:
Global Population Decline: The study, published in The Lancet by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, forecasts that by 2050, 155 out of 204 countries will have fertility rates too low to maintain their populations. By 2100, this will rise to 97% of countries.
Fertility Rate Drop: The fertility rate is plummeting worldwide. For instance, Spain’s fertility rate decreased from 2.47 children per woman in 1950 to 1.26 in 2021, with projections of 1.23 in 2050 and 1.11 in 2100. This trend is mirrored globally, with France, Germany, and the European average also experiencing declines.
Economic and Social Impact: The study urges governments to prepare for the economic, health, environmental, and geopolitical challenges posed by an aging and shrinking population.
Regional Differences: While rich countries already face very low fertility rates, low-income regions start from higher rates. Sub-Saharan Africa, for example, will see a significant increase in its share of global births, from 18% in 2021 to 35% in 2100.
Migration as a Temporary Solution: The authors suggest that international migration could temporarily address demographic imbalances, but as fertility decline is a universal phenomenon, it’s not a long-term solution.
The article highlights the need for strategic planning to address the impending demographic shifts and their associated challenges¹.
Yet another issue that I’d too long-term for anyone to understand or focus on. If we address it now, changes can be small and simple. However history shows we’ll wait until it’s a crisis, then panic.
When growth is so inherent to your system that the opposite is “negative growth”.
Well, if you used the correct mathematical term, population decay, then you’re gonna have a lot of rubes rioting about some conspiracy on how a population can’t decompose or some shit.
Scientist had to change global warming to climate change when they realized some people can’t look past the buzz words and learn something.
then you’re gonna have a lot of rubes rioting about some conspiracy on how a population can’t decompose or some shit.
Wtf? We should be stupid because other people are? A lot of rubes also sounds very hyperbolic.
I feel sorry for anyone who reads your comment and takes it to heart.
I genuinely think you’re misreading that comment. I read this as an acknowledgement/warning of past human idiocy recurring, which, when we extrapolate from known data, is fucking likely.
Ironically, your misinterpretation has led to your own hyperbolic reaction, so maybe this is about self-pity.
That’s fine.
You’re wrong.
I wish “a lot of rubes” were hyperbolic. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/14/americans-believe-climate-change-study
Fox & Co are doing a splendid job of growing rubes.
I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say.
You need to improve your reading comprehension, then.
Haha, good one
Hey man, either you’re playing stupid or you are stupid.
Which is it?
We built a system based on continuous growth and consumption. People freeze like deer in the headlights when it gets brought up that it isn’t sustainable and get offended that maybe we should try to make some changes to it.
kind of like "“Children of Men” but people just choosing not to have children. I see people my age in their 40’s having only 1 or 2 children and people in their 30’s just not deciding to have children at all.
Luckily, it’s still within our power to choose not to reproduce.
Good, I can’t wait!
Governments, along with the corporations who will struggle to find employees when this happens have all brought this upon themselves. Treating people like dogshit all the time doesn’t pay off in the long run.
The operative term here is “reaching carrying capacity.”
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Lol. By then it will be done for us, unwillingly.
If you read the article, that’s basically what it says.
The researcher points out that births “will increasingly be concentrated in the areas of the world that are most vulnerable to climate change, resource scarcity, political instability, poverty and infant mortality.”
Well, this can only end well …
