My ancestors died fighting for the Union, but I have to admit a tiny bit of me has a soft spot for that flag only because I liked the Dukes of Hazzard when I was little.
The only thing I know is that this is the Dukes of Hazzard flag. Loved that movie!
Loved that movie!
Are you aware that there was a TV show in the early 80s?
Ugh, the fact that I remember watching it when I was a kid is going to seriously date me.
I think my parents might have watched it as kids!
We listened to it on the AM radio and that’s the way we liked it.
Y’all stfu already God damnit. And stay the fuck off my lawn.
I’m genX actually, I don’t give a fuck about the lawn ;)
It wasn’t even used as the actual flag of the Confederacy. This version of the flag is the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which has sort of just come to represent the whole Confederacy now. The actual flag that was used by the Confederacy actually had quite a bit more white on it, which in the eyes of some at the time understood it to represent the “White race” (from Wikipedia):
On April 23, 1863, the Savannah Morning News editor William Tappan Thompson, with assistance from William Ross Postell, a Confederate blockade runner, published an editorial championing a design featuring the battle flag on a white background he referred to later as “The White Man’s Flag,” a name which never caught on. In explaining the white background of his design, Thompson wrote, “As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.”
Their flag actually went through three versions between 1861–1865 (each with multiple variations), so they really didn’t have their shit together over the course of those 4 years even.
Pride flag, If your family tree is a circle.
Evolutionary cul-de-sac.
What did they lose, really? Besides a war, their generals, their free labor, and the value of their money?
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Are you seriously arguing that slavery wasn’t profitable for plantation owners?
Aside from being dangerously close to “well actually we were doing the slaves a favor!”, that argument is absolutely absurd.
Do you really think that they couldn’t get more economic value out of enslaved labor than they put in in shitty food and housing? By that logic, the poor poor plantation owners could just barely scrape by on a subsistence income. Does that match up with the lavish estates that we see in the south to this day?
Aside from being illogical it’s also ahistorical - milenia ago the Romans had massive slave-based plantations generating obscene wealth.
… what.
A plantation own has to provide all the things you mentioned to whatever form of labor they’re using (free/paid or slave) either through wages or directly.
It’s much cheaper to provide those things directly, and cheaper still when they’re not in a position to complain about the quality of them.
A slave worked more hours, every single day, while eating the cheapest food available. A slave slept packed into a cheap, tiny, overcrowded shack. A slave couldn’t demand time off, higher wages, or quit. A slave could bring in income when their children were sold.
Everything else aside plantation owners were businessmen. They used slaves because they were the cheapest labor available.
Reconsider whatever choices led you to this
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“I know the ‘cunts kicking puppies for four years over a century ago before getting shitheeled into the dirt’ is an unpopular group, but can’t we see their side of things? Clearly their flag means freedom from oppression!”
Go back to Twitter with your other white supremacist friends.
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I’m not here to debate white supremacists. I’m here to tell them to fuck off and eat shit. You can go with them if you want.
Edit: ROFL ah I didn’t even see your username. Fuck off.
Honestly i dont know wtf you are talking about. What is wrong with my username? Also what makes you think im a white supremacist?
I didn’t realize I was responding to you and not some other anonymous racist apologist, that’s all. And it’s clear what you are by the fact that you’re calling the first comment based despite that it’s trying to separate the Confederacy’s flag from the reality that they SECEDED AND WENT TO WAR OVER WANTING TO KEEP BLACK FOLKS AS SLAVES and their flag represents that.
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Comments like this are so disingenuine. Most people don’t like these ideas, not be cause they’re ultra terrible ideas, but just because they feel like they want to be part of a larger group?
Missing the point that “people” are generally not shitheads and don’t like shithead ideas
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Ahh so if we just ignore the bad reasons something started and stick to a positive part of a concept, we should all be fine waving Nazi flags too I guess
That’s the biggest load of bull I’ve heard in a while and it’s nothing less than apologetic. Most of the people flying these flags today will say the same general shit revolving around “tHe SoUtH wIlL rIsE aGaIn!” Or “SoUtHeRn PrIdE”
Sometimes things are exactly as they seem and aren’t more than surface deep
It’s the dog whistling tactic but using a regular whistle and trying to convince everyone else that we can’t hear it. Idolizing traitors to own the libs. Sad!
Oh no not diversity and inclusion?!? How awful.
Hi I grew up in rural Kentucky, currently live in rural Indiana. The flyers of this flag hate gays and blacks, unilaterally.
Think for a second. Why, if you didn’t want to project the idea that you proudly hate gays and blacks, would you fly this flag? The association is too deep. You can’t fly this flag without very intentionally telling all the black and gay people around you that you hate them, even if “that’s not what it means to you”
No, everybody flying this flag knows that, they don’t care. They’re cool with the message, they support the message. They just know it’s not a great argument for the media 😉
Independence from what exactly? Hm? What things did they feel they were being oppressed over? Got a list?
I doubt you have it on hand, so I looked over the secession documents and speeches from Confederates etc. Here’s an exhaustive list of things they wanted to keep that were being “taken from them”:
- Slavery
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30 people are sore loosers 🤣
When the South rises again, maybe we should just let them secede.
Even the reddest counties in the reddest states vote 10% blue. Most red states have strong pockets of blue in cities. (Nashville, Charleston, pretty much all of south Florida). Many southern states are purple or even blue! Georgia has two blue senators and a governor! Virginia has two blue senators and a red governor. North Carolina is up there too.
I’m very afraid for those people if the fascist lunatics get more control. I know you are sort of joking that we can’t just abandon them to that fate.
Also selfishly: do we really want the Christian Taliban to create an Afghanistan with y’all Quida next door to us? That wouldn’t end well.
Georgia does not have a blue governor.
They can secede, just leave the land behind when they do so. Enjoy the international waters.
One problem: You will create a country with third world mentality on religion, but with first world weapons. They’ll immediately start a holy war against the north, and if they succeed, the rest of the world.
They can’t take our military equipment with them. Let them try to use their AR-15s against our drones and nukes.
I’d love to see their declarations for seceding this time. Last time it was universally about slavery, I’m sure this time it will be wokeness or cheeks absent from Trump’s rear
At this point, seeking political asylum in an open air interment camp doesn’t seem a bad dream. It’s ridiculous here.
I say flag whatever flag makes you proud.
It was the flag of the confederacy that lost the civil war, but today it’s the flag for white supremacist bigots and no more. That is all that it means.
Read a real book, like BATTLECRY OF FREEDOM, by McPherson.
Also on that same era the steam engine train, telegraph and germ theory came to be. It was as radicalizing then as the computer is now.
The south based their economy on aristocracy and hierarchy and added the worst sort of slavery the world had seen (hereditary, based on skin color).
Fuck them all to hell. Bigot scum.
A slavery flag though?
Anyone know if r/ShermanPosting made the Lemmy jump yet?
Be the change you wish to see in the world
I would like to not have this in my feed
Unsub. e z
Why?
it’s a shitposting sub. you’re here of your own volition.
Technically it’ll show up in the
Alllist, which is how I found it.I found it hilarious, though.
Pride is a sin and often the only people taking pride in a flag have done nothing to earn any pride.
It’s ok, champ. Not everyone has supportive parents.
I know a Jewish dude who’s a trucker who flies this flag. It’s the most hilarious and sad shit I have ever seen. NJ has some weird ass mfers.
I know a canadian that only dates foreigners and has this as a flag, a belt buckle and a hat. Fucking fetishist.
seems like it’s working though, right? he’s probably not swimming in pussy but is at least staying afloat?
Has to hire out.
There’s a reason the same people that fly the confederate flag fly a Trump flag. They like things that last a few years and lose
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Child, you’re impressing no one.
He is impressing the circle jerk captain!
Nazi punk, fuck off.
A swing and a miss.
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Your system was tried once and it fucking collapsed, in large part thank to “godless commies”
Are you replying to yourself?
