It sounds way less offensive to those who decry the original terminology’s problematic roots but still keeps its meaning intact.
Oh man, wait till they hear about how I riced both my master and slave servers. I threw so many RGB LEDs on them, they look like recipients of a Fukoshima clown bukkake.
Is there a Lemmy equivalent of /r/brandnewsentence?
Put me in the screenshot
Can I get in too question mark?
Master and slave racks might sound better
Cargo Mommy module for Rust comes to mind for me.
Why does this have but plug support lmao.
you know why
This is the best thing I’ve ever seen
Top/Bottom Step/Sibling Pitcher/Catcher Thot/Simp Bull/Cuck
I’ll keep using master/slave. Political correctness bullshit be damned.
Changing terminology also creates a mess and lots of confusion. I always want to check out the master branch but some people now started calling it main. I don’t mind either way but constantly changing it is horrible
I have an alias that tries both names
Primary/secondary?
I have my primary, and my secondary, and my secondary secondary.
Leader/follower works though.
That doesn’t make sense depending on the context. New I2C standard switched to controller/target for example. This conveys that one device is controlling the other devices.
My suggestion doesn’t make sense in the classic PATA sense either, since there were potentially several “slave” devices, but they weren’t slaves so much as dependent on the “master.”
Parent/child(ren)(s)
i saw main/clone for storage once
Primary/secondary means they’re all doing their thing, but one is preferred. There’s no instruction going on between them
If you have a primary and secondary web servers, you’ll use the primary first, but the secondary or secondaries are a fallback
If you have a primary and secondary drive, you have two drives, one of which is more important (probably because you booted from it). The secondary could be a copy or just another drive, either way the OS or a raid controller is managing it, one drive doesn’t manage another
Similarly, we have dispatch/worker- the difference between that and master/slave is that they’re different things. A master should be able to work without a slave, and a slave should be capable of being promoted to master - a dispatcher can’t do the work and the worker can’t take over if the dispatch goes down
The funny thing is we don’t use master/slave much anymore, the whole premise is that the slave doesn’t start to do what it does when it starts up. I can’t think of any examples of it in the past decade - other paradigms, with a different relationship and a different name, have replaced it
This is true. Warm standby is more or less obsolete in favor of n+1 load sharing.
I think for most cases you could use primary and standby for master slave replacements.
Redis, rabbitmq. There are infrastructure where all nodes work but only one node is responsible for properly and timely synchronizing changes, which is a hard problem to solve in a distributed fashion.
That doesn’t really match the master/slave relationship. The distributed instances aren’t slaved to the master. They’re each doing their own thing, but as part of that they have a hierarchical relationship when it comes to synchronization
Distributed computing gets more into the concept of swarms. Each piece is autonomous, and the swarm self-organizes. We made up a bunch of paradigms around this that were basically obsolete by the time we needed them - I think the relationship here is leader/follower, but I’ve never heard that terminology outside the classroom
They’re sharded. It’s like host/mirror, except each mirror is an equally correct part of the real picture
One of them is the leader, but it doesn’t control the rest of them. It just coordinates them
When you get into swarm concepts, like sharding or activitypub, it doesn’t make sense to describe the relationship between nodes anymore. The relationship between any two nodes is “part of the same swarm”. You describe the nature of the swarm as a whole, or the behavior of individual nodes
Considering how many tech enthusiasts are Femboys using the terms Dom and Sub sounds like a good idea :3
Why do you assume all femboys are into BDSM?
I thought they were general terms to describe top and bottom
They are sort of becoming that nowadays, but that’s a different topic. I’m saying it feels like over sexualizing people that identify as femboys.
I vote for “OF-Model/Simp”.
“Girlboss/Tier3”
I’m a developer. I use main/release/dev for new projects, because it just sounds better and is more intuitive to me honestly. “Master” doesn’t make much sense. Like what’s so “master” about a “master branch”? It’s just the main branch everything gets merged into. It doesn’t “control” branches. There’s no “master/slave” relationship there. So again, “master” was never really intuitive to me.
Old projects don’t get relabeled, they stay master, cause relabeling the main branch could cause potential problems. That’s my two cents.
Did you know that most people are not developers, and for many other use cases “master” does in fact imply control?
Edit: I guess not
We’re talking about computing here. At least the post does. I guess you could be a QA engineer or something else, but this discussion is mostly a thing with developers.
I think that’s because in computer science most master/slave nomenclature comes from hardware with a command/control structure (still notable in things like Spark where the namenode/master node controls the data nodes).
GIT just took naming conventions from other existing design patterns (although I should probably look up sources to verify that assumption).
Master can also mean proficiency. If you say you’ve mastered a trade it doesn’t mean you enslaved the trade, you simply have complete knowledge of the trade.
So in that context, the master branch is the complete branch. The branch that other branches stem from because it’s the one with code from all the teams. You could branch from another team member’s branch but if that branch hasn’t merged from master in a while, it won’t have all the knowledge (code). When you merge in master you’re getting knowledge from elsewhere from the branch that’s aware of more things than your branch is: the branch that has mastery of the code, the master branch.
That’s not how the terms entered computing though. We always used master in opposition of one or multiple slaves. It implies that one component has control and orders the other one around.
So in a git commit (since they mentioned branches)… What’s the slave? Since your the one gatekeeping the word you should know right? How come Git can’t be Master in the context they provided when there is no existence of a slave commit?
I’m not sure where you’re going with this. I haven’t gatekept anything, you can use whatever term you want, that’s none of my business. You can happily read my other comment. To me, “master” makes no sense if there are no “slaves”. That’s why I don’t use it. It doesn’t make sense to use it. You do you, that’s your business.
https://mastering.com/how-to-master-a-song/
To master something, has a number of meanings that don’t require the use of “slaves”.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/master
Definitions most definitions of the word have nothing to do with slaves.
Edit: In this case, I believe that we all treat Git the same as this definition in specific…
: to produce a master recording of (something, such as a musical rendition)
So just because you only know of “master” in regards to “slaves”… that doesn’t make you right.
Never said it made me right. Just didn’t make sense to me. You can still use whatever you like, as I do.
That’s not how the terms entered computing though. We always used master in opposition of one or multiple slaves.
And yet you said this… Acting like you speak for the entirety of industry, when I bring up one specific facet of our industry that isn’t using the term juxtaposition to “slaves”… but rather to other concepts of “master”, you now magically change your tune.
We renamed everything to keep shared pipelines working with one branch.
That’s where you should use something more like top / bottom /s
I think in this sense, master is more akin to the ‘recording’ master - The best version of the recording to which others are generated, and all parts merged; no ‘slaves’ necessarily just the ‘master’.
Same for databases, master / slave does not really describe the relationship anymore. It’s a primary, secondary, control node, read only or something else.
I look at “master” in our repo like you would refer to a master recording or a remaster, or similarly the gold master for when you could say a video game has gone gold.
That’s why they used master. And this makes the whole “master is a bad word” stupid, at least in Git context.
I don’t know what a master recording is. Googled it and it seems to be related to vinyl or something. So yeah, kind of hard for me to wrap my head around that, but definitely an interesting outlook.
the master is the recording, all other recordings stem from
no please stop, i’m so tired of googling kinky stuff, seeing a spicy looking result and opening it just to see some computer server stuff pick something else idk maybe capitalist & worker, bonus points for political commentary
A long time ago, in a job not so far away, I worked on a computer project where we were using Apache Jackrabbit.
I quickly learned that I needed to search for Apache Jackrabbit and not just Jackrabbit – vibrators weren’t relevant to the project.
Agreed lol. this opinion also works for the god-awfully named “gimp”
The world famous Gnu Image Manipulation Program?
Stop discriminating then, see the sexiness in the servers, the horniness in the harddrive.
i already do, dronification kink represent, but at least make those search results spicier in their content!
After all why call it a hard drive if it doesn’t make you hard
It only sounds bad to the fringest of the fringe that’s deceivingly loud on twitter. Good luck trying to find even one real person thinking those terms should be changed. This kind of stuff is why people vote for Trump.
I think very few people mind changing it, and a few people want it changed, so it’s slowly shifting across various use cases. I’ve only discussed the change from master/slave terminology with one person that affirmatively supported the change, and they didn’t know that there’s still slavery in the world today.
I don’t know what to make of that, other than to say ending human slavery ought to be a higher priority than ending references to it.
I think very few people mind changing it
I doubt that. Do you know how many system configurations depend on these keywords? Do you have any idea how many hours of work and system outages this would cause?
I’ve seen a few projects rename during major version upgrades, when everyone has to read the release notes and make changes, anyways.
Plenty of old deployed systems may continue using master/slave terminology, and of course some projects will stick to that language even decades in the future, but it was once more prevalent than it is now, and that declining trend looks like it will continue.
It was changed a while ago, it’s primary and secondary now. It’s been that way for a decade+ at this point.
Not every domain though. I still see master/slave in every relevant datasheets that I read, and I’ve never seen primary/secondary in newer datasheets.
That’s interesting, because everything I run into now has primary/secondary or main and secondary. I’ve not seen master and slave for a good 5 years now, sure older stuff still carries it but most that new has swapped over.
I should recheck newer datasheets, but I still see master/slave nomenclature in STM32 doc and tools for example.
We had one guy at work like this. He was laughed out of the meeting.
The place I’m at changed all of its documentation to student/teacher instead of master/slave.
… I question their relationship with their teachers of they think those are equivalent.
I’d like it to be changed because I don’t like saying "is the slave working? Did you check? To my black employees.
Maybe its just the way you say it.
I say it with a hard R
Harder R if you want the SlaveR to whip the SlaveE :'D
Also just kidding. I really really dont understand a lot of the sensitivity and sentiment against words. Words are NOT Violence as long as you agree to be civil and not militant.
It’s not obvious to realize this, but the luxury of thinking words are neutral is a privilege.
Think of it this way. If 5% of the time, when a person said “howdy”, they punched you in the face. You would be very wary of anyone saying howdy. Just in case. Now imagine having to live on edge like that 24/7. It wears you down. It’s exhausting.
Well, it costs me nothing to choose a different word besides howdy. And for that cost of $0 I can make someone else’s life less anxious. I know how much anxiety sucks because I’m basically made out of it. So I’m going to do what I can to put other people at ease.
Now obviously black people know that the IT term master and slave are not about them. But they are also conditioned by society that, some small % of the time when those words come up, things go very poorly for them. So yeah, I would be twitchy about it too. Even if my rational mind knew it was silly.
But you’re depriving the black employers of the chance to say it to their white employees!
To be honest I’d feel stupid saying that alout at anyone. They’re not called that in my native language - I think.
The i2c spec–which is officially controlled by NXP–explicitly made the change in 2021:
https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/user-guide/UM10204.pdf
Updated the terms “master/slave” to “controller/target” throughout to align with MIPI I3C specification and NXP’s Inclusive Language Project
Yes, this has gotten real traction.
There is real, actual, injustice in the world that we need to address. Computer terms are not one of them.
But if I have the power to make a small change at work to both be more accurate and correct a minor injustice, why the heck not?! I can’t fix world hunger, but I can at least start a discussion about changing some internal terminology
well, i didn’t know that computer hardware could be consenting and engaged with with the BDSM community at large.
Personally i just like master/slave because it’s really fucking obvious how things are supposed to work. Outside of that there are some more specific terminologies that work better in specific applications. Leader follower is pretty cringe, but mostly gets the point across. Main and sub is already established lingo in the electrical field from what i understand.
too wordy just make it 😈 and 🥺
I remember back in the late 90s being in college. I brought my girlfriend to class one day. She raised her hand after the professer was explaining Master/Slave roles. Keep in mind, I’m white. She’s black. She’s not enrolle
d in this class AT ALL.
So the professer sees this, and says “Yes, you there, girl I’ve never seen in 4 months of this class”
And all she said was “Master and Slave drives? That sounds sexy!”
The whole class facepalmed.
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… sounds like she was fun!
Penis / Onahole
