Yes but he’s not looking for a woke word for “females”, so “women” doesn’t help.
Do women wanna be called “women” tho? I don’t mean this rhetorically, but as a genuine question.
I for example, would hate to be called a “man”. It just makes me sound old. I would prefer being referred to as “male”, or anything that isn’t the word “man”. This is applicable to a lot of my friends too. Don’t women feel the same way?
Personally, I’d prefer to be called my name. To each their own I guess
I suppose I can call you my name if you really want.
“Make me a sammich, jewbacca117” just doesn’t have the same ring to it
Birch, please!
With 117 I can only do chief, sorry.
Hello, my name! 👋
It’s all about context. There are options that are context and age appropriate that aren’t condescending or clinically reductive.
Men’s bathroom and Women’s bathroom > male bathroom and female bathroom
“Hey, guys/gents”, “hey, girls/ladies” > “hey, men”, “hey, women”
First woman President > first female President > first girl President
“First president with vaginas,” per above. Kinda like graduating with honors.
I don’t see what’s wrong with calling men ‘men’. I don’t mind it at all, seeing as it’s a descriptor of what I am using the English language. What’s your problem with the word?
Not a native English speaker, so I guess I’m understanding the word wrong (judging from the other comments).
It’s just that calling someone a “man/woman” makes it seem like I’m calling them old? Like… I don’t think we associate the word “man” with youth, right? Like… Whenever someone refers to me as a man (which is quite uncommon thankfully), I cringe a little inside.
‘Man’ refers to human individuals, especially adult male humans. So the word is pretty flexible, and can technically refer to any human regardless of age.
I’ve never encountered a man or woman that hated being called whichever was appropriate
… honey, there could be another reason you don’t like being called a man. 👀 Just a thought.
Why would they want to be called, ‘boy’, ‘male’, etc then?
It happened to me. Being a boy never bothered me, but as I got older becoming a “man” made me dysphoric.
So I became a woman instead.
Fair enough. For me, any gendered language makes me dysphoric when I am not that gender. But of course gender is a very individual and personal thing.
Nah, I identify as male. It’s just that the visual of a “man” for me is an older bearded dude with a deep voice… which I’m not…
Not sure where you grew up culturally, but that seems like a very foreign concept to me personally. We use “boys”/“guys” and “girls” to demote young men and women. No one here would get the idea to use “male” and “female”, which to our ears are purely biological words.
Well, English is not the native language where I’m from. So perhaps it must be the cultural context for the word “man”? I mean, we don’t use the words “male-female” much outside biological contexts as well… I’ve just rarely seen anyone use the words “man/woman” for anyone our age (we’re young adults for context).
Here in Australia we use male/female all the time.
I physically cringe when I see Americans say stuff like “woman politician” instead of “female politician”. It sounds so grammatically wrong, that you legit sound like a caveman impression (ex. “Grug go car”).
Having said that, we would also never refer to women as females. There’s some grammar rules that dictate when we use either, but female is certainly the more common term.
Yeah, to my ESL ears man/woman are nouns, not adjectives, and using them as adjectives comes off as childish.
That said, “female X” can also sound clumsy, if it’s implied that a bare X is male, e.g. “politician” and “female politician”, vs male and female politician. There was a twitter account calling itself a “male programmer” which took the piss out of that trope.
Apparently not. The world would be a much better place if we all stopped making such a big deal about specific trigger words and focused on the ideas being communicated. If someone’s intent was to be an asshole then sure, get the pitchforks out, but make it clear it’s the idea that’s bad. Don’t just scapegoat the word. If they weren’t obviously trying to be a dick then calibrate your response accordingly.
To put it another way, if you’re upset about the use of a word that a scientist might use to describe something then you’re probably being overly sensitive.
Listen, I’m not against using any words. I’m just for using words, that if used cause no harm, and lead to people feeling better. We are emotional beings and it is unnecessary to try to pretend that we aren’t.
If someone wants me to call them “X”, I would try to do that if it is not too out of my way, right? That’s all.
science is often biased by cultural ideas. biology, medicine, and psychology, have been used to pathologise or naturalise things along social lines. this is also reflected in the language they created.
i think it is important for this language to be reevaluated, as culture and the scientific view on the world changes.
with the distinction between gender and sex becomming more popular, having compleletly destinct words might for example be positive…
No, they are not for you to reevaluate because you hold no knowledge or expertise in these fields. Demanding for outsiders to interfere with the scientific process because of their silly little biases and mental disabilities is a deranged opinion.
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Cool, start by learning what a ‘shift’ key is.
this is a conversation about accepting ideas rather than critisizing the form…
You are correct but social media lives and thrives on the idea of making people overreact to things.
Genders, races, politics… It’s all literally designed for people to argue with eachother while the owners profit on their “discussions” (actual discussions are banned because sensitive snowflakes needs protection).
How have you applied age to the word “man”? Unless you’re not an adult and “man” to you means being an adult?
Guy probably is between 16 and 25 and doesn’t want to be an adult lol
I identify with this unironically as a low conscientiousness male feminist.
Out of Context Comics is leaking!
‘feminine species’ 😭😭😭
TIL that apparently we’re an entirely different species. Homo sapiens and lesbo sapiens?
That kind of fella would use something derogatory instead of sapiens for women. That is, assuming they even knew what sapiens stood for in the first place.
What
Ladies wasn’t used in the Original Post.
When playing a RPG of some sort, sometimes they give you the ability to reallocate all your talent points in a different way. Such as switching from melee focused to something magic oriented like a wizard or a witch. This is called a Respec, short for Re-specialization.
Respec sounds very similar to Respect. The Original Post is about respecting women.
I appreciate your interest in my comment, hope you have a nice day. Take care.
Thank you for your thorough explanation, I now understand the joke and will react accordingly:
“Heh, that’s pretty good.”
Agreed
‘Extra-chromo-sapiens’.
The other ones are ‘whiny-chromo-sapiens’.
‘Arsehole’ is a good cross gender term for any humans of known or unknown sex.
Women implies the existence of nimen and tamen
Mmmmm… ramen
Hmm. Wōmen… Men of Wō… I don’t mean to be racist but their triads freak me out.
Ooo help me learn today if you don’t mind… Where does this prefix grouping come from?
Edit: found it, I think: Chinese?
Correct; wo, ni, ta are the singular forms I, you, he/she/it. Adding the -men suffix turns it into the plural we/you/they.
So literally, ‘we’ are ‘women’.
Yeah, what they’re saying doesn’t make much sense logically though.
Men here is 们, the plural marker for people. Wo (我) is I or me, wo+men (我们) we or us, ni (你) is you, ni+men (你们) is you (plural), ta (他/她/它) is he/she/it, and ta+men (+们) is they.
Some other variants exists, and there’s specifics on the usage. I also missed the tone markers on the pinyin because they’re a pain to type.
Anyway I’m not sure what joke or point they were trying to make.
They say fluency happens when you make your first cross language pun, so riffing on a mediocre meme feels like halfway there.
Im a hoe and I dont have a vagina so it clearly doesn’t even work 😋
Could you see to my garden plx
I hate that society attached hoe to women like equal rights men can be slutty
feminine species
the feminine species
Does this mean two females are able to produce sexually viable offspring?
Idk what they’re called, but IIRC that there are some all-female lizards that can reproduce either by parthenogenesis or lesbianism.
You’re thinking of mourning geckos!
Come on, that’s just obvious bait
I call em Snatchers
Is the cute name “beaver” still used?
Are Beavers really cute? The teeth of these large water rodents are orange because they are full of iron; these teeth never stop growing.
But if you are being serious, women don’t really like being reduced to names that refer to their pudendum. It is objectifying.
Source: Canadian woman.
Edit: just realized which sub this is posted in. Oh well, think of the vocab word “Pudendum” as my Xmas gift to you. (Refers to a woman’s external genitals, ie. vulva.)
Of course women don’t like being reduced to names. But all hetero males do it. It starts with little boys in grammar school and no matter how old you are it never stops. Now this is not something that a normal guy would ever say out loud to a woman but they are thinking it just the same. Human nature has embedded this into the hetero male DNA. It’s not a denegration of women. Every male has a mother, sister, or daughter and would never want them disrespected.
As far as male slang terms for vagina, I think it’s a long list. Though I don’t think women use many slang terms for male anatomy. I’d guess because sex for a woman is mostly emotional. For a guy, while it may be emotional it is foremost a fun physical activity which makes it easier to joke about. Remembering back to my grammar school days, I believe the origin of “beaver” is that back then women had lots of pubic hair. Pubic hair trimming and “landing pads” were not in vogue. And the pubic hair surrounding a vagina sort of had the look of a “beaver”.
So much cultural imperialism in here.
Once US-Americans decide how they want a word used, they will harrass and cyber-bully everyone into using it the same way / using the same word
Boys, you need to realize that english isn’t “your” language. You don’t get to decide how others speak it.
It’s everyone’s language, everyone can bully each other over it. The Brits added u to a bunch of words just to fuck with us…and then misspelled tire. Just last week heard an upper class indian with more British roots give a more Americanized indian man shit for spelling it tire rather than tyre, with zero knowledge of the history.
On the whole I think English speakers are relatively polite about misunderstood words in person, even relatively racist asshats. But when you can’t read the accent, you default to your own culture and in that culture it’s pronounced to rhyme with tamales.
My brother in christ, the british spelling is the original.
The reason you spell it differently was a conscious decision of your revolutionaries to differentiate themselves from the brits
You used the same spelling before your independence.
And how about “noone can bully” instead of “everyone can bully”?
Just throwing tht in the room here.
I won’t bully you for writing “recognise” just to assert your independence, you let us be us and everyone is happy, is tht a Deal?
No, it’s not, go learn history. Its a mix and match on both sides usually because spelling wasn’t standard anyway. Webster picked ones he liked, mostly to feel superior to Brits, Brits picked the opposite to feel superior to americans. We have the legacy accent, uk has the posh accent to sound different. We did simplify some words, Brits complexified others to be more posh.
Lass
I favor wench.
Now that’s classy, my lassie!
That’s a huge word
salatsalad just to say “I’m an incel”salat
Found the Ger(wo)man.
Is female derogatory? I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
Edit: I work at a large engineering and manufacturing company where some of our products need to take into consideration the difference between male and female anatomy. I just hear “male” and “female” systems discussed on a weekly basis so I think I might sometimes refer to men and women as “male” and “female” outside of work without giving it a second thought.
I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
It’s a classification of sex like biological characteristics, like chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive organs. Are you asking about that?
Gender is a social construct. Just like race. Where you can be a Black person who is British. Or a Filipino American.
Edit: downvoters, you know you can literally open up a scientific book and verify for yourself, right? Downvotes don’t make a thing false.
If you are calling a woman “a female”, and aren’t a cop discussing a victim or a doctor writing a chart, then yes, it’s fucking derogatory.
We’re not Ferengi.
Yep. A lot of incels seemingly are unfamiliar with scientific classification and try to use it in casual statements.
Like, they sound real stupid trying to redirect it to be about science then saying phrases like “boobs and tits”.
I thought it was just a more scientific classification.
Scientifc classification by sex. Referring to others by their biological sex in a social context is weird and creepy. Even if you believe sex and gender are the same thing, it’s still weird to call people by their sex. “Hello, male human. Want to ingest some fried pieces of cow flesh tonight?”
Yes, using scientific terminology can be derogatory. But in this case, acting like the opposite sex is a species on its own, classifying them as animals and slurring all women as hoes gave it away for me.
It’s not inherently derogatory, but it does hold a connotation if you refer to women as females particularly in contexts where you wouldn’t/don’t refer to men as males.
Using female as a noun (rather than as an adjective, such as in the phrase “female firefighter”, or any phrase of the format “female $noun”) is generally overly clinical and dehumanizing. Some people do it out of habit due to their profession-- usually researchers or soldiers-- but they usually say “males and females”, which while still weird isn’t the worst.
The guys who say “men and females” are the ones you need to watch out for.
Ohhhhh Watch out for what ?
Incel bullshit
Sex-obsessed creep
I mean, you are the one that freaks out when someone mentions the word incel, so I’m thinking that applies to you more than me.
It is not. Americans are insane.
Found the incel!
Found a USian.
Using scientific terminology in colloquial speech is weird and creepy in most contexts. Calling kids “juveniles” and women “females” carries certain connotations, most of them bad.
