Ban for using incel language/phrasing seems reasonable to me.
Incels didn’t invent the word female its been and still is used commonly by everyday people as a neutral term without any thought to Incel ideologies. Maybe saying women instead of female rolls off the tongue better for most people, myself included, but a bunch of neckbeards on the internet using an ordinary word as a dogwhistle isn’t an excuse to prohibit the word
But we want incels to make change for the rest of us we want to give them the power to stop us using normal words… /S
Female is an adjective. People who use it as a noun are suspect as fuck.
Lmao what a failure of our education system.
"female
noun 1 a : a female person : a woman or a girl b : an individual of the sex that is typically capable of bearing young or producing eggs 2 : a pistillate plant"
“Female is an adjective” fucking lmao. As if a word can’t have both an adjective and noun form. Piss off.
Yeah and depending on how you use it, it can come off as offensive. For a good comparison look at the language surrounding race. “Black people” is a perfectly okay phrase to use. However, saying “the blacks” makes people feel offended and it feels degrading.
All you’re doing is switching it from an adjective to a noun, but it provides a significant change to how it sounds/feels.
Not the guy you’re replying to, but it seems you’ve missed the rather large part before the noun entry in that dictionary of your’s:
female, adjective
a (1) : of, relating to, or being the sex that typically has the capacity to bear young or produce eggs
(2) botany : having or producing only pistils or pistillate flowers a female holly female inflorescences
b: having a gender identity that is the opposite of male
c: made up of usually adult members of the female sex : consisting of females
the female workforce
d: characteristic of girls, women, or the female sex : exhibiting femaleness
composed for female voices
e: designed for or typically used by girls or women
f: engaged in or exercised by girls or women
g: having a quality (such as small size or delicacy of sound) sometimes associated with the female sexIt’s an adjective first and foremost.
While it can be used as a noun, this is in a mostly academic sense. Outside of that it’s normally associated with incels and sexism.
Get over yourself and stop trying to make it a thing when it’s not. If you want to be unique, there are plenty of other terms to call women that they be half as weirded out/offended by: lady, lass, bird, gal, and girl just to count a few.
It’s not incel language. It’s just language.
There are females. There are males. It’s only the chronically online who don’t have regular conversations with normal people that somehow find this offensive.
As a Ferengi, I agree. This is just normal language
Woman is a word. Usually it’s more questionable when someone says man and female. It makes women sound less than by making it more sterile and similar to specimens. It really depends on context. Female is language, but it’s usage could easily make it incel language. Context is key. Not a fan of calling out an action with zero context whatsoever like the above post.
I don’t disagree, but I’ve noticed that second or third language speakers with certain first languages (no idea which languages, they just have certain similar patterns in English so I’m assuming there’s a reason for that) tend to use both males and females when they speak English. It sounds weird, but it’s not necessarily sexist in that context.
It’s true that it’s often inception shit though, but it’s mostly easy to tell the difference.
Hence context is key
Uhu, I was agreeing with that
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Referring to women as female, especially in the same breath as saying men, is impersonal and cold feeling.
They do feel more like specimen terms because it’s really only used in the context of academic material or government forms. Yeah words have their meaning, but you also have to look at the context of how it’s used.
And on top of that it’s still a weird and clunky title. You either say male and female, which does feel weird and impersonal, or you say man and woman. Mixing them like that does feel strange. For example, you wouldn’t say felines and dogs, you’d say cats and dogs. You wouldn’t say interior and outside, you’d say inside and outside or interior and exterior.
It’s also the thoughts and words of the women who hear it. But maybe they aren’t normal people in your opinion.
Wow, way to reveal that you’ve never interacted with a woman. You think you can just speak for all of them? You know every single woman’s thoughts and words, huh? Or maybe you just think you do because in your mind they don’t have their own thoughts and opinions, and could only possibly agree with everything that you believe, because the only women you’ve ever interacted with were in your imagination.
Get a life.
Not the guy you were replying to, but if you genuinely believe woman don’t think it’s weird being referred to as females (noun, not adjective) then I really have wonder how many women you’ve spoken to
Look, you just had your world view challenged. You have been informed that you may be doing something that contributes to misogyny.
The non-sexist thing to do is to listen. Educate yourself on the subject. Learn how you can be a better person.
The sexist thing to do is to double down. Talk over every other voice. Lash out at the world and claim you are the only person who talks to women.
Clinical and scientific words do that. That’s why normal people say “women” instead of “females”
Idk, every woman I’ve talked to about this seems to have an opinion, and they disagree with you.
Wow, all 0 of them.
No, that’s why it’s not used outside the Internet to talk about women.
As an adjective, i.e. as you’re using it, sure.
As a noun, I.e. like what that OP is doing, that’s is weird and is phrasung normally associated with incels and sexism.
It’s not like there aren’t other nouns to use. If woman and lady are just too normal for you, even lass, bird, girl, or gal would be less weird to say.
OP chose the weirdest, easiest to take offence to phrasing they could. They fucked around and found out.
Found out the mod was powertripping yeah
That’s a warning at best
Would you refer to men the same way?
At worst, it’s gauche. It’s much more likely that the moderator was personally offended by the use of that word than anything else. I have my own pet peeves. I can’t stand the sound of someone saying “an historic event” … but I’m not going to go around banning people over it. All that’s going to do is make everyone more and more angry.
This is why we put specific, actionable rules on communities, people!
an historic event
This makes sense in accents that skip the H in historic. Whenever I read it I mentally assign the post a comedically posh accent. Might help you tolerate it more?
Anyway, I agree with you - we all have our pet peeves, but banning over them is just silly.
was personally offended by the use of that wordsaw an opportunity to tell some other person what’s what, which is deeply satisfying to them, and overrides the question of what’s the actual right and wrong thing to do
It’s weird to say in normal conversation. I’ve only seen people say “female” online when referring to women and girls.
I have regular conversations with normal people all the time. If they use “female” in reference to a human being to my face, I’m calling them on it. It is 100% an incel dog whistle. If they continue, that’s a clear indication that they are not a person I want to regularly be around.
Somebody will always be offended, no matter which language you use. A few days ago a supposedly trans person told me to use “female” because “biological woman” is trans-exclusive. People who discriminate based on every day language just want to feel better about themselves.
If you seriously think “female” is incel langauge then you need to touch grass. Get off the internet for a while.
I’m trying so hard not to use the downvote button as a “disagree” button here.
Reality matters. If the post obviously didn’t mean anything bad, and there’s no realistic way that any real human person might be hurt in any way by reading the post title, then banning the post is pure wankery. Yes, even if it’s “incel language.” I would go further than that and also support all kinds of speech that actually might be offensive or hurtful to some person reading, for some variety of reasons, but this is so clearly on the “just let it be and worry about issues that are genuine issues instead” side that I’m having trouble believing that the people defending it are sincere.
When the did the left get so thin skinned? What happened to the ACLU defending neo-Nazi rallies? Why pick a battle about something so silly the “winning” of which carries no benefit to anybody?
You clearly don’t understand the difference between freedom of speech and consequences of actions. If a friend insulted your spouse in your house, do you just say “yeah, you can stay because I believe in freedom of speech.” No. That’s bullshit. There’s nothing wrong with removing toxicity from private spaces and I’m tired of the idiocy that confuses them with public spaces.
I bet you think Musk is doing a good job with Xwitter too.
I mean… if a friend used the word “female” in an obviously innocent way, and so I kicked them out of my house and told them they could never come back, I think the consequences that I would experience in terms of what my other friends said to me would be pretty similar to the consequences this particular mod team is experiencing. “You’re not free from people criticizing your actions or taking action against you” applies both ways, I think.
There’s nothing wrong with removing toxicity
There is, though, if you define “toxicity” in a totally weird and nonsensical way. What I’m objecting to is the crazypants definition of toxicity, not the idea of removing actual toxicity from public spaces. Was that not already evident from what I wrote?
I bet you think Musk is doing a good job with Xwitter too.
Nice thought-terminating cliche. I am not your enemy; it sounds like you’ve decided that I am, as a way of dismissing whatever I have to say, but I can assure you that I’m not whatever cliche you have in mind. You can look over my post history if you still feel like I am.
Sorry, I thought we used context in replies. You went on a rant about how offensive speech in private places should not be removed. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of what you said.
Using this example though, I’ve repeatedly stated it requires context to know. It’s very sus that this is even shared without the context. This is very commonly a misused term by incels to the point it’s odd you weren’t aware of that. Or you were and you’re back to your hypocritical point of private spaces not being able to remove offensive content.
You went on a rant about how offensive speech in private places should not be removed.
Actually offensive speech, I think should sometimes not be removed, yes. It depends on a lot of factors and there’s a big grey area, between the two extremes, where people of good faith can disagree. If you want to talk about that totally separate topic, I’m open to it.
Again, this isn’t offensive speech to me though. Like I say, I’m genuinely having trouble wrapping my head around the assertion that it is. It sounds like you’re very insistent that it is, to the point that I must obviously support all offensive speech if I support this. On that, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree, I think.
The only people who think “female” is incel language are terminally-online no-life losers who desperately need to go outside.
You should test that theory by going outside ;)
“I know you are but what am i?”
Wow so clever. Proud of that one?
And not that it’s any of your business, I spend most of my time outside interacting with peers and the public. I would wager that I’m the most qualified person in this thread to speak to what you all would call “normal people” behavior.
I’m trying to help you all to understand something.
You can downvote me if you want, it doesnt bother me, I’m not gonna delete or block anyone, but you’re only hurting yourself.
Not going to get into an argument about the mod or the op, but I’ve never heard someone say female instead of woman or girl. Only seen it online (more often than not in a negative manner,) or nature documentaries.
“Only seen it online” yes because most people who think it’s bad are only ever online.
No, you don’t hear the word female often in conversation, but no one cringes or judges someone when it does get used. It’s just another fucking word.
Not going to judge you or anyone for it, but I’ma be honest it does strike me as odd to use that word instead of woman. Woman’s a perfectly good word, and it’s not being used in a derogatory manner, which I assume you agree female most definitely does in some circles
A friend of mine, who I know for a fact is a woman, made an offmychest post venting about a serious domestic issue and had people doubt the entire story as fiction, made up just to make a man look bad and watch how the internet soothes a fake woman, based solely on the fact that she said, at one point, “I’m a small female so…”
But like… despite her skill with the language, she literally only speaks English online, so she doesn’t know all the nuances. This kind of language connotation judgment is never fair unless the context makes some kind of demeaning intent very, very clear.
Do you really find the use of “female behind” in description of the humorous picture as incel? Would you prefer “woman ass” or “woman behind” and find them more fitting for some reason?
It doesn’t say “a female behind.” That would be fine. It says “a female’s behind,” using the noun form of female to refer to a woman. Normal people don’t refer to a woman as “a female” outside of technical contexts like medicine or science. In casual speech it comes across as dehumanizing to call a person “a female,” and this is a speech pattern that is primarily used by misogynists, especially the incel variety.
The preferred phrasing would have been “a woman’s behind.”
That said, giving the person a permaban over this seems pretty excessive unless there’s additional context.
Using ‘female’ in that context does give off, at best, vibes of someone who doesn’t have much contact with women. Feels like someone classifying an unfamiliar species, rather than referring to an actual person.
I mean, using “female” to refer to another human is pretty demeaning imo, though stifling discussion isn’t a good look. I can’t imagine the “discussion” around this was super productive though, knowing Reddit.
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Maybe you should go touch some grass man
Oh look another “I know you are but what am i?”
Why am I not surprised that all of the idiots screaming “incel reeeee” in this thread can only come up with the same kindergarten comeback over and over?
You’re telling on yourselves.
Here’s what you said in this thread:
“Sterile and similar to specimens.”
Bruh those are your thoughts and words. No normal people think like that. What the fuck?
The only people who think “female” is incel language are terminally-online no-life losers who desperately need to go outside.
If you seriously think “female” is incel langauge then you need to touch grass. Get off the internet for a while.
I sense a pattern here. And it’s not the pattern of someone who touches grass regularly.
??? How do you figure??
I’m one of the few here who seem to understand how people actually communicate in the real world, I’m one of the few actually capable of recognizing your pseudo-intellectual white-knight bullshit for what it is.
The fact that you took the time to collate my recent comments in an attempt to make some sad retort demonstrates that you’re the exact kind of terminally-online loser I predicted.
All of that effort just to conclude your retort with “I know you are but what am i?”
Get a life.
I’m one of the few here who seem to understand how people actually communicate in the real world
Then proceeds to argue calling women females is completely normal…
To be fair, socially oblivious people have no sense that others are completely uncomfortable around them. My friend’s autistic son, who also calls women females, has the same issue.
I’m one of the few here who seem to understand how people actually communicate in the real world
Nah. People in the real world don’t use the noun phrase “a female” when referring respectfully to women. They say woman, lady, girl, gal, or something along those lines. The only times a woman is called “a female” are in technical contexts or when the speaker is a misogynist.
As an adjective, i.e. female athlete, sure it ain’t.
As a noun, I.e. that female, that’s weird and normally associated with incels and sexism.
It’s not like there aren’t other words to use. If woman and lady are just too normal for you, even lass, bird, girl, or gal would be less weird to say.
I ain’t gonna tell you to touch grass, I’m gonna tell you to chat to some women and see where calling them females gets you.
It’s a purely descriptive word, simply weird.
I have no idea of the context, but that long and insightful discussion of the ban is killing it!
Without context this is extremely suspicious considering how easily the usage could become absolutely understandable to remove. And that one would purposely leave out context is suspicious on its own.
Remove, sure, have a problem with, yeah I can see it, permaban? That one feels a bit excessive, though incels do tend to be insufferable.
Uncritical support to the mod team in their fight against the incel scourge 🫡
Not only is “female” a dirogitory way to refer to a human woman, but it has been widely know since at least the late '80s. Why do you think the Ferengi in Star Trek:TNG use the term? People at the time weren’t confused, they knew immediately that the Ferengi were sexist.
tf is a ferengi
Yeah I see why they would hate women
They were created and written as a hyperbolic critique of then capitalists/conservatives. Roughly 30 to 40 years ago. That has unfortunately ceased to be hyperbolic. Rather more ironic. And less extreme than many of our capitalists/conservatives these days sadly.
Scroll down and see for yourself. There’s a picture and a few live examples.
Space Jews (affectionate)
Not only is “female” a dirogitory way to refer to a human woman, but it has been widely know since at least the late '80s. Why do you think the Ferengi in Star Trek:TNG use the term? People at the time weren’t confused, they knew immediately that the Ferengi were sexist.
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