“We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel,” said one protester.
Israelis protested on Saturday night, calling for a ceasefire and the resignation of hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.
They also called for new elections, accusing Netanyahu of prolonging the conflict to keep himself in power.
Good shit guys, and good luck, what’s the point of democracy if they don’t fucking listen. We should all be doing this, all of the time
what’s the point of democracy
It’s a 2 party system
It is not. Israel is a multi-party coalition based system.
Guess why France has a some pro-consumer laws that wouldn’t fly in other countries. It’s because if the government pisses the people off, they instantly respond with rioting. It works.
How anti-semetic of them. Don’t they know you can’t do that?
You aren"t saying the protesters are sterotypically self hating are you?
That would be a foul.
This exchange is so wildly ironic lol… I find it hard to believe it’s even real.
Do you work for Postmates? Because if so, username checks out 🤦
Is this that reknowned sense of humor?
Stunning wit here.
Stunning ability to take a joke in the other replys.
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Obviously they are Hamas
They, clearly, are not.
maybe go like, skim the news headlines of the previous three weeks
Make him resign so they can reelect him again.
The man is powermad and powerblind. May need to be forcibly removed
CIA needs to clean up the mess they created.
Why? Everything’s going according to plan.
It’s really not. US long term strategy is to disengage from the Middle East to focus on bringing freedom™ to Africa. The plan is to leave Israel and Saudi Arabia to babysit, which is what the ill-fated Abraham Accords were for from a US perspective. The US doesn’t give a rats ass about the Palestinians, but being implicated in a genocide is inconvenient.
Look at all those anti-semites. /s
They are all undercover Hamas members trying to disrupt Israel’s political system /s
infiltrated by outside agitators no less…
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All the instability of the last 50 years can ultimately be tracked back to … the Arbor Day Foundation.
All paid by George Soros even
Send in the NYPD!
Bizarrely, they’re likely already there 🤬
You want to see a grown person in full riot armor cry? Put a US police officer anywhere in the middle east.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Stop and bris
This made me smile and laugh irl
Weird, shouldn’t they be rallying to stop biden?
IKR like if America just stopped giving them bombs they wouldn’t have to use them, smh…
It’s so weird that we would supply our allies with arms when they are surrounded by hostile nations.
You should look into why they’re surrounded by hostile nations. Here’s some hints: Look into things Hannah Arendt said about starting a settler colonialist colony in the Middle East that required kicking out the locals into neighboring countries who will then hate them and how that is a bad idea. Einstein even said the same warning, about how Israel will just become militarized, and will start conflating miliarization and Jewishness and nationalism together, as a requirement of keeping this settler colony together (because it requires active occupation and death to maintain, meaning it will always have enemies, until they complete the genocide, I suppose).
Sounds complicated. Sounds like something that deserves nuance and consideration when discussing.
Jk Genocide Joe lolol
No that’s our job in America, they are doing their part against their government.
Don’t you think isrealis might want Americans to fight hard to resist the installment of an authoritarian government so we don’t suffer in the same way they are right now?
“Install”? The USA wrote the book on genocide. It’s a lot more practical to protest your own government.
So is it Biden or is it the entire government?
Once I get you to accept that it isn’t just Joe Biden riding this country into the ground maybe you will see there is a whole party of right wing fanatics that want to see Gaza in rubbles and handing them back the government is the worst possible thing that could happen.
That doesn’t imply that it’s practical for Israelis to protest the American goverment. We aren’t going to bomb Gaza if they choose to stop. And we’re not going to stop funding the bombs if they weigh in on our election. This isn’t about us.
It’s not practical to campaign against Biden even here in the states. For the same reasons.
Which one? The ones cracking down protestors, or the ones wanting to send more bombs to Israel?
The ones proposing project 2025. Would do you good to actually learn what we are up against.
And this shows that those opposed to Israel’s actions in Gaza are not antisemitic (ignoring the eventual neonazi assholes), they are opposed to a government that is committing genocide. Especially a government that governs a people THAT SHOULD KNOE BETTER.
I have no problems at all with Jews and I’m sure that, given people who really want peace, a good treaty can be made where both the Palestinians and the Israelites can peacefully coexist, that would be awesome.
However, right now saying even something like that is somehow antisemitic. If anything, I find that sort of behavior antisemitic, because it is so transparent that it pushes more people to the far right and into the hands of neo Nazis.
Stop the genocide, stop the war, withdraw ALL Israeli forces immediately and unconditionally. Then put in a peace keeping force comprised of multiple countries in that same area, and make sure they all work towards peace.
Palestine will reject any treaty. Like they always have. All they want is for Jews to be the minority or to leave entirely.
They agreed to treaties before that Israel rejected. But sure, blame the Palestinians
Report: Hamas Accepts Gaza Cease-fire Deal; Israeli Officials Reject Prospect of War Ending
Archive link for posterity.
A headline from an article I need to pay to read that was sourced by hamas themselves? I’m sold! 🤣
No wonder the whole world doesn’t take you far lefties seriously 😂
Sorry, reality doesn’t agree with your assertion. Also, your mask is slipping.
Hamas announced its acceptance Monday of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal, but Israel said the deal did not meet its “core demands” and that it was pushing ahead with an assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah. source
Do you think written an article is the same as sourced? 😂🤣😘😂
I’m not sure any source will mete your discernment.
What would be a better source, tea leaves?
it’s difficult to choose your colonizer.
True. I say we give back the land to the people that were there first. Egypt and Jordan.
Yeah. Before that there were a Greek guy named Alexander, before that there assyrians. Let’s give it back to them. Oh wait, there were since guys from deeper Africa before them… The concept of countries or nations is utterly stupid.
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Israel jews are a different breed than the holocaust survivors. Germany paid reparations to Israel and barely, if any, actually made it to the actual survivors. They’re generally not a good people. But I have seen protests and legit compassion from them to know that it’s always the loudest voices that are most often heard.
People like me get no love from anyone because I want the Jewish people to have Israel as their country, and I want to help protect the rights of Israelis. I also want the same for Palestinians.
People who perpetuate genocide against anyone shouldn’t be tolerated by civilized societies. The fact that mass killings exist in any form in human history is not a role model for the future.
I find it helps to name check the position you’re describing, which is “a one-state solution”.
How is what I am describing one-state? The reasonable path forward, which limits bloodshed and violence, is supporting both Israel’s and Palestine’s right to exist.
Sorry, I think I had a different comment open in a different tab and got confused before I had to run off to do something.
I’ll leave it up, because I don’t like to delete comments that have been replied to.
No probs!
There’s just one small flaw in your plan. Hamas has widespread support in Palestine and is not interested in peace, only in the destruction of Israel.
If you end the war you just go back to the previous situation where Hamas will continue to persistently launch rockets at Israel and execute more terror attacks, not peace.
“Now we’ve justified, that 70% of the murdered people are women and children, right? RIGHT?! REICH?!”
No, I’m not commenting on Israels methods which clearly could be better, to put it mildly. That doesn’t mean it’s logical to dream there can ever be peace with jihadists
Hamas has widespread support in Palestine
No
Wishing it to be untrue doesn’t work unfortunately
Aaah, like how similar the israeli and the nazi government is? Like the genocide against innocent Palestinians? Like IDF’s human right violations?
Wishing it to be untrue doesn’t work unfortunately
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Yeah, and who’s to blame for that, literally by funding Hamas? The Israeli government.
If they could fund hamas then they can also fund schools, hospitals, help rebuild Gaza.
None of what you say should stand in the way of a peace treaty
If they aren’t interested in peace then why was it Netanyahu who just torpedoed the current cease fire proposal and not Hamas?
Clearly because he wants to eliminate the jihadist terrorist organisation. I’m not claiming that’s the right decision but I understand it. But it seems a lot of Israelis don’t support him.
But just because Netanyahu is no longer interested in peace doesn’t automatically make Hamas a peaceful group. The group that performs suicide bombings, uses human shields, beheads civilians, would stone you to death for drawing a picture of the prophet. They are not looking for peace no matter how much you downvote
okay, I’ve since read your other posts and it turn out you’re just racist. Have a nice life.
If calling out problems with a religion is your idea of racism you need to check the dictionary
You’re right, the correct term is bigot. You’re a bigot.
I apologise. Religion is of course beyond criticism. What are your thoughts on Scientology out of curiosity?
Maybe it has such support because of Israel actions. I bet after the Netanjahu war crimes it will have 99%. Hell survivors probably will KoS anyone who even remotely resembles someone from Israel and will pass this tradition on generations to come.
I can understand why you’d think that coming from a position of logic, but no, it’s Islam.
You’re right, it’ll probably go from >50% to 99%. And probably few of them will ever acknowledge that their religion and support of Hamas is what led to this tragedy.
So what you want to just murder them all? Clean up the place? There are certain historical figures from ww2 Germany and Russia that figured out all the methods, bells and whistles.
Where did I say I wanted to murder anyone?
Where do you live? Was it always the country it is now? How would your government react to constant bombardment from a fanatical religious neighbour that wanted to wipe your country off the map to get into paradise?
Probably not digging mass graves everywhere. It would be lots of foundational work. Cultural assimilation. Economic warfare. Coca Cola. Replacing the leaders.
Violence is easiest and quickest but is also stupid and has opposite effect, unless of course we go all the way to a complete wipe out. Stalin way.
At this point there is no half measures. You have to go all the way, total wipeout. Those people will not forgive Israel in hundred years. It makes no sense to start genocide but not finish it. That would be pure madness and random convulsions of some blind, shortsighted idiot.
Hell, I would grab a grenade launcher myself at this point if I was in their shoes. This stuff is the worst possible way to handle it.
They could throw a nuke there and it wouldn’t be far off from the mess it is now.
Result is everyone hates them, people are all radicalised against them. Bombings inside Israel will probably continue nevertheless. Nothing is solved but there is a gargantuan pile of problems added.
I suspect the goal was populism all along. And this guy is a psychopath.
First of all if Israel, having such a strong military and industrial base, were not a piece of rotten evil, it could make a huge difference in the Middle-East.
But instead of actually working toward that end Israelis decided to put a kinda similar image and exploit it. Simultaneously having a narrative of “we tried, but they just don’t want to live happily” in their propaganda and even believing that themselves.
Then they wouldn’t be the US and EU’s middle East military base. Why do you think they have the money and weapons? To fight proxy wars and keep opec in check.
First of all if Israel, having such a strong military and industrial base, were not a piece of rotten evil, it could make a huge difference in the Middle-East.
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Well, then they are getting closer to losing that toy.
Netanyahu’s government - seen as the most right-wight in Israel’s history
Right wing? Or am I lost
Judging from how I completely missed that and read it as “right-wing” I just assume it’s autocorrect gone wrong with no editor spotting it either
it’s a type of evil undead, so… close enough.
I am curious to witness the mental gymnatics necessary to call these Israelis antisemitic…what absolute nonsense will need to be implemented this round?
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So you’re saying Israelis protesting the genocide won’t be called antisemitic while non Israelis still may and those doing the name calling don’t realize their hypocrisy? Just trying to understand.
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They don’t get called antisemitic, they get called “self hating Jews”.
I logged on after reading about the ceasefire, just to look for articles here, where the comments will inevitably say it’s not enough and they’re electing Trump bc they’re so far left.
What does “left” have to do with it? Is it only leftists who object to genocide?
The number of voters dumb enough to switch from Biden to Trump is insignificant. What’s going to happen is a whole lot of voters are just going to give up and stay home, and it won’t have anything to do with how far left they are.
Just like every damn election, the left is telling the establishment how to attract voters, the establishment is ignoring the left, then the establishment will blame the left. The vast majority of those engaged enough to call themselves leftists are going to vote for Biden. It’s the barely engaged working Americans who are going to check out.
Ummm… staying home not voting against Trump, is welcoming his election. You flip flopped on this comment from acknowledging the difference but in the end throw your hands up offering, “but that won’t happen anyway, they’ll vote Biden” … I don’t think they will, and staying home to do so is a .5 vote for red team. It’s just the math of elections. Staying home with your vote is still not casting it for the not evil orange dictator
Gawd, it’s exhausting how many people just lock into the bullshit frame of mainstream news.
Try to understand this please. Most Americans don’t give a shit about left vs right politics. They give a shit about their kids, or the mortgage, or figuring out that issue that has there boss turning weird shades of purple.
The tiny sliver of Americans that are politically astuit enough to even realize that they are leftists are not what swings elections. This is exactly as dumb as the Republican delusion that it’s poor brown people fucking them over.
It’s the same tired bullshit every single damn election. Leftists tell the establishment how to rouse working Americans. The establishment ignores the left and loses. The establishment blames the left. Rince and repeat.
A lot of motherfuckers, ignoring the article as usual to grandstand, whining they were called out for antisemitism, instead of acknowledging anything in the article. Priorities noted, lemmy.
Taken them long enough
‘“We hope the world hears us and knows that the people of Israel are not the government of Israel,” said one protester.‘
I really wanted to believe that, but they have the same PRV type of voting system as Ireland so that’s hard to believe. It’s not like UK/US where the votes are counted in a more primitive way.
It’s also a parliamentary system, and there hasn’t been a stable coalition in forever. Netanyahu, despite his lack of public popularity, has the backroom connections to stay on top of ‘the game’ in a divided parliament, especially with two of the left-wing parties only narrowly missing the threshold in the last election.
I’ll admit to not being the most knowledgeable person on internal Israeli politics, but my understanding is hes been holding onto power for a while through a combination of coalitions and judge nonsense. Even then, if he represented the views of 51% of Israeli’s that would still be a lot of people who’s views don’t align with his.
The problem is that there is a lot of Israelis who are now against Netanyahu, but who are still in support of the genocide in Gaza, or who are always in support of the Settler terrorism and slow genocide in the Westbank.
No Israeli government has reduced or at least stopped settlements since Rabin was murdered. The Center and Center Left of Israeli politics are equally in favor of an Apartheid occupation and running Israel as a supremacist ethnostate.
There is some people that genuinely reject all of this fascist nonsense and demand actual peace and actual justice in Israel. But unfortunately they are very much a minority. And when they speak up they often get threatened, harassed and attacked.
No Israeli government has reduced or at least stopped settlements since Rabin was murdered.
Quoth the Haaretz: “Jigal Amir won”.
The possible silver lining is that Netanyahu also demonstrated that the right-wing’s idea of how to ensure security – namely, by antagonising Palestinians into submission – doesn’t work. But that kind of insight will take a while to actually sink in.
And another thing that needs to happen is Israelis not shying away from looking at what’s being done to Palestinians. The Israeli press is self-censoring, knowing that noone wants to watch or read about the crimes the IDF is committing. It’s wilful ignorance: People want to support the IDF because they at least at some level still believe in the antagonising Palestinians into submission approach, yet they can’t bear to acknowledge what that entails. Which is kinda actually a real silver lining: Imagine if the Israeli press glorified, instead of ignored, all those mass graves and whatnot, what that would say about their audience. In the end it’s still only the Kahanites who actually get a hard-on when seeing Arab corpses.
…the same, side note, btw also happened in the Third Reich: First Nazis were very overt, the pogroms were open, public, they were dragging people through streets and whatnot. They very quickly changed approach, made sure that people were able to ignore what was being done, were able to come up with lies such as “they’re only expelling the Jews” and actually believe in them. Precisely because not every German back then got a hard-on when seeing a Jewish corpse either.
So, please, Israeli people, get rid of those chucklefucks in government before they put you in camps for protesting.
Reminds me of Brexit
Sounds vaguely similar to a situation developing in the US.
Biden’s primary stated reason for defending Israel is a promise to his dying father.
Not his conscience, not the people alive and around him today, not the people who voted for him, not the people who he’s depending on to get re-elected.
Sorry America, an 80 year old white man is making an undemocratic choice due to a promise he made to another old white man. Awesome.
Claims without actual trustable sources are just rumors and gossips.
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So first; your comment sounds passive aggressive. You can argue/ discuss without it. If not, I’ll just block you.
I appreciate the sources, never knew it was thanks to his father - that Biden is a pro-Israel/ Zionist. However this does not particularly show that defending Israel is a “promise to his father”
Like the other comment state:
Biden’s primary stated reason for defending Israel is a promise to his dying father
In none of your articles does this come up. Only that his father is the reason of him being pro-Israel.
I know very well Biden is a pro-Zionist/ pro-Israel. You can check my comment history.
EDIT: so your sources and your comment doesn’t “answer” my question at all. It just shows he became a pro Israel because of his father. Not about him promising his father, he will defend Israel.
We all know already that he’s a pro-Israel because there’s a video of Biden saying “if there was no Israel, we will invent one”. Joe Biden says if Israel didn’t exist, the US would have to invent one to protect US interests
Fair enough, but it’s just about the only explanation that would make sense. Dude is going to lose the election over this.
The CIA will ensure that he wins. He’s a Neocon, a fully paid up subscriber to the Wolfowitz Doctrine and a lot more reliable than Trump.
Didn’t all that apply to HRC?
You got a source on that?
I tried searching and only found promises to his dying son unrelated to Israel.
In January there was a poll done in Israel: Only 15% of Israelis want Netanyahu to keep job after Gaza war, poll finds.
I don’t know how the poling is now though. However with how the world currently sees Israel, I doubt it would be in a favor for the prime minister (as in not in favor for him).
Some of those dissatisfied with him will want an even more extreme right-winger. So you conclude too much from that figure alone, except that he’s very unpopular.
For the poll to drop after a genocide starts, one would need to imagine that most of the drop is anti genocide. “Critical support”, when taken in a serious context, usually means one would still vote in an electoral system for that leader who did the thing versus an alternative.
It’s hard to imagine what a hardliner would want more at a point where the track is basically kettle and bomb, malnourish to death, is short of enslave and malnourish to death. Like nukes don’t work because then you can’t use the land for a couple decades.
Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF and have been actively participating in Apartheid. These people have been actively been on check points, raided Palestinian houses and killed and kidnapped (yes, kidnapped, because some are in prison without being proven guilty of anything).
This was done by Israelis.
Israelis are actively living in houses that aren’t theirs. In houses where the owners left due to their terrorism.
“We are not our government” but you are.
Spare me the crocodile tears and the fake democracy. We all saw your true colors. Genocidal maniacs.****
True but, isn’t it also true that a ceasefire is desirable? Isn’t it also true that the current prime minister should not hold power?
These people protesting could be fairly judged as guilty of all the things you said. Would that make the things they are asking for invalid?
Is perfection the realistic result? I dont think so.
Can we be happy fewer Palestinians die as a result of this? I like to think so.
You’re an imbecile. I know a lot of people in the US military that didn’t rape anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Do you think they would tell you?
How provocative. Enjoy your echo chamber big dog.
If you want to leave yours, you might want consider finding out what the yearly sexual assault rate is in the military from other military members alone.
And then the total percentage of Americans that have been assaulted.
You know rapists. You just do.
How many of them have told you what they are? What do you think the rate was during a military occupation?
Most of these people take/haven taken part in the IDF
Most likely? I mean Israel has a draft for women and men with the only exception being Orthodox Jews - which, ironically, might be the ones most in favor of the current government. How does that make their point irrelevant?
have been actively participating in Apartheid.
Dude, that word has a different meaning from what you’re implying. Call the atrocities in Gaza a genocide, that’s fair. But it’s not apartheid and neither is Israel an apartheid state, nor an ethnostate. Source: been to Israel, talked to people, there are no Jewish / non-Jewish toilets or fountains or anything, non-Jewish stores next to Jewish ones etc.
The rest of your blathering is just generalization. The same applied to people living in Gaza would make a lot of unjust actions look much better - after all, most of the people in Gaza have kidnapped and slaughtered civilians, no? Yeah, probably not.
Thank you for your service
So what do you call it when Israel controls the West Bank and Gaza, corrals and oppresses those populations and denies them representation? Sure as fuck seems like Apartheid from here, and this Genocide is just a brutal response to a violent resistance movement.
I bet you have a final solution to the problem.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tens of thousands took to the streets in Tel Aviv to demand that the government reach a deal with Hamas to secure the release of Israeli hostages in Gaza.
Egyptian state media reported “noticeable progress" on talks, although an Israeli official downplayed the prospects for a full end to the war in Gaza.
Hamas has repeatedly insisted that any deal freeing the hostages must include a withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and an end to the fighting.
“The most important thing is to bring the hostages back and to get humanitarian aid into Gaza,” said Roi Tzohar, demonstrating in Tel Aviv.
But chances for a ceasefire deal remain entangled with the key question of whether Israel will accept an end to the war without reaching its stated goal of destroying Hamas.
The official said Israel was committed to the Rafah invasion, where an estimated 1.4 million people have fled the fighting in central and northern Gaza.
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While it’s fair that they’re protesting for their hostages to be returned, this headline puts them in a completely different light. I don’t believe anyone is actually protesting for a ceasefire.
Article specifically quotes about the people being hostages of respective political leadership. Albeit a somewhat moderate take in context, still rather antiauthoritarian which tends to be anti war/genocide.
Some of them want their government to go in harder
This is correct. I can’t find anything at all claiming this protest has anything to do with stopping the Palestinian genocide for the sake of humanity.
They just want their hostages back, according to what I’ve been able to find. Can anyone show significant support for the contrary?
