It’s a simple plan…
Now what the young ladies in this grade need is an attitude makeover. And you’re going to get it, right now. I don’t care how long it takes. I will keep you here all night. (Joan the Secretary: We can’t keep them past four.) I will keep you here until four.
I can relate. Being 13 would pair really bad with my drunk driving
Never know until you try
The kid probably gets a kick out of making the whole class stay. Punishment needs to exclude them, like that’s the very nature of punishment.
From what I understand from my experience, the philosophy is that by pissing off the other kids they will call out the shitty kid when they act out.
Of course, this has never worked a single time in human history, but schools keep fucking doing it for some reason.
It works in military settings, where you are expected to work as you team and keep an eye on your colleagues. Not so much in a school.
You’re also talking about about people who are at least legally adults. 18 is a low bar until you compare it to 10.
That and if you piss off everyone in your unit you’ll catch the ole sock full of butter
It doesn’t work because bullying is punished by the school. How are they supposed to teach their peers valuable lessons. /s
I’m autistic, so grain of salt, but I’ve been specifically advised to do something that feels like bullying to me by someone with a degree early child development. I think the difference is that I’m unlikely to take it too far, but maybe they were just a radical and I absolutely should not be doing this. What do you guys think:
After a 3-5 year old kid goes to the bathroom, ask if they washed their hands, and if they say no, you make a grossed out face and say “eeeewww, that’s dirty. You need to do that before we can play together.”
It’s obviously a more constructive type of “bullying” than is standard, and you’re supposed to pair it with exaggerated relief and excitement to play as soon as they’ve washed their hands, so the last impression in the kid’s head isn’t rejection, but it still feels mildly iffy to me. I’m fucking terrible with kids though, so I don’t trust my own instincts.
I don’t think it’s bullying, because bullying involves tormenting them - finding what they react negatively to, and pushing on that. Here, you’re letting them know that there’s something you need them to do before you’re comfortable playing with them. You might think of it as modelling how to protect your own bodily autonomy!
For me, when my kids were going through that, I’d say something like “Ack! Don’t touch me with poo hands! Go wash first, then you can climb on me!” It’d generally get a giggle, then they’d go finish washing up. You’ll want to pay attention to their reaction whatever you do, but if you make it clear they’re still welcome to play, I don’t see how it could be bullying.
You use /s but that is the double standard I always thought of. That and how it seemed odd that they wanted us to be responsible for babysitting each other.
Sorry this has got me a little heated bc this kinda shit happened to me all the time in school and it sucks to know it’s still an issue.
Don’t worry, one day you’ll get to grow up and complain about the next generation behaving in the exact same way! Kids these days, amirite?
Our generation would have at least done something creative, like smear shit all over a bathroom stall, or leave scorch marks on the ceiling from deodorant flamethrowers, or scratch up a window with the teacher’s quartz crystal… Kids today don’t have the same spirit.
I’m 30 and majority of my friend group says Sigma, skibidi, rizz on a daily basis. Tiktok memes are getting everyone I can’t even laugh at these kids anymore because my friends are just as cringe but without the excuse of being 13.
Your friends sound awful.
They are.
India did one thing right when we banned tiktok few years back.
Now that you’re 30 it’s time to fully embrace the cringe. Be free.
Hi 30, I’m dad
If you make a joke like that, it’s considered lighthearted and funny.
If you would have said:
Hi 30, I’m daddy
Suddenly it’s creepy and weird.
Language is funny.
It’s still lighthearted and funny, just with a little something special~
I remember when a 10th grader banged a 7th grader in the chapel of my school. He was the son of a pastor too.
Growing up rural there were lots of troubled kids everyone basically ignored. Nothing would get through to them so their outbursts were basically ignored. One kid has a tic where he’d yell “yee haw, stick it in your grandma!”. Over and over.
Another commenter here above would just punch them in the mouth to fix that trouble maker. I wonder if they tried that.
i’m just a kiiiiddd and life is a nightmaaare
i’m just a kiiiidd and i know that it’s not fair
Well… that’s not the worst thing that happened to a class yesterday…
I doubt this happened because of busses that’d leave or parents wondering where the hell their kids are while they are waiting.
I doubt a private school would put up with a consistent disruptive student or with a teacher losing control of a class so bad that they keep everyone behind while also having to deal with angry paying parents.
It’s possible but I doubt it’d happen more than once with that teacher.
Could be… Not American? A Dutch 13 year old bikes to middle school. As does 80 %. Of em…
Yeah good point. I’m definitely guilty of looking at it through an NA centric lens on my post. Thanks for the perspective.
Often children from more rural areas take the bus there too. The parents would still be upset and I don’t even think normal detention is allowed at most schools (at least I don’t know of anyone who ended up there, just teachers scheduling extra lessons to make up for the lost time).
Yeah, but as someone from Switzerland:
collective punishments are illegal, go against our core values and are against the charter of human rights even. I highly doubt this would happen anywhere here in Europe.
In Germany it happens. But the teacher will get in trouble if smb. Snitches.
Tell me you are an American without telling me.
But this is from Reddit… Surely they are posting the truth and not attempting to tell embellishing stories because their life is not interesting in the slightest right?
Arthur - “You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?”
Yeah, teachers just make them miss part of their breaks or whatever during school hours. My kids are about this age and come home occasionally with stories of some kid who wrecks things for everyone resulting in missing outside or other free time, or loss of whatever break from class work that may have been offered as a reward for conformity.
They said they had to stay behind for 30 minutes, but they didn’t say what they stayed behind from. Lunch, maybe, or study hall? Recess, if they’re at a rare middle school that still offers it? Art? Seems like there’s a way it could work.
Is it collective punishment the best.
Tbf that does sound like some bs
See, back in MY day, that kid would get his ass kicked. And the teacher would look the other way.
Nowadays EVERYBODY in a fight gets suspended. Context doesn’t matter.
Sorry whatever gen is after Z. Your generation is going to be full of assholes who all think they’re right, but 97% of them won’t be. It’s been a growing problem for 40 years ago. But at least you USED to punch the trouble makers in the mouth. Then they knew in the future to shut the fuck up.
Is this a pasta or are you just a sociopath that wore a trenchcoat in school? It’s hard to tell these days.
That’s just how it was in the 80s/90s. And it wasn’t like I’m saying I and I alone was dealing out justice to all those that pissed me off. I’m saying the reason teachers do this is SPECIFICALLY because of what I’m saying. The one kid does this annoying shit, and the whole classroom sends him home a bloody mess. And when he goes to complain to his mom, and his mom asks “What’d you do?” and he tells her, she punches him in the mouth and tells him to stop being a little shit at school, and the kids will stop beating his ass.
I’ll take “Things that never happened for $300 Alex.”
Man, it’s sad, but I totally believe that could have happened.
That second part is harsh but that’s how my grandparents treated my mother in the 60s. She and her siblings would get spanked if they made too much noise in a household of 8. I hope your parents didn’t treat you that way. I want to think some of those attitudes were dropped after the 80s.
Nope. Depends on the parent. I still got beat up in the 80s/90s for closing the door too loudly, hitting my brother, waking mum up from an afternoon nap etc. It stopped when I was 17 because I was big enough to hit back (though I never did).
My mom abandoned my dad, and thus me by assosiation, and my dad was so obsessed with asserting he has control of everyone and everything in his life, he usually just took everything out on me. Whether I had anything to do with it or not.
I hope you’re better now my guy ✨
In 1993-4 (8th grade) a jackass picked a fight with me once and tried to jump me while I was facing into my locker.
I heard him and turned around to cover my face but had a pencil in my hand and ended up stabbing him in the eyebrow (luckily for us all, really).
There was a teacher watching the whole thing, or else I would probably have been suspended with him. I spent an hour in the vice principal’s office and then went back to class. That bully never fucked with my again, but I’m not sure how it worked out for him in the long run.
To be fair in my experience it was the troublemakers assaulting me. Children were not a righteous social police force that punished and rewarded specific behaviors.
I feel like if you were the one “punching trouble makers in the mouth” you were probably also an asshole and it’s nice that you justify it to yourself this way I guess
As a grown ass man, if that was the peak of my problems I think I’d be feeling pretty great right now.
Grown ass-man hehe
Relavent xkcd: https://xkcd.com/37/
The funny thing is that most people in the Western worlds would say the same thing you are hear, while there are probably billions of people who see their problems and would say that they were be feeling pretty great right now if they had them.
We look at things like this as way “stupid kid with a narrow view” and don’t ask ourselves “man, how narrow is my own view and what an I missing about my own blessings?”
Congratulations on your road to becoming an ass man.
I think deep down, ive always been an ass man.
What did I tell you Jerry?? He’s the ASS MAN.
How deep?
I feel this way; we get ‘growing pains’ so we can grow.
Scrapped knees from learning to ride a bike let me learn to deal with greater pains later on.
Right now, this is the biggest problem these kids have faced
Its probably not the peak of their problems.
Whas is then? That they are clearly not the sigma?
The peak of their problems is the impending fall of international society into fascism and ecological collapse
But they’re not old enough to be expected to worry about that yet.
